Yes, the palestianians are indeed the only bad guys in the middle east.

[PanzerJaeger]

Wait.. theres a Conquer the World fund? Where's my checkbook...?

[drone]

Wait.. theres a Conquer the World fund? Where's my checkbook...?

As a bonus, I believe it is a 501(c).

[LittleGrizzly]

The US government and the independent people of the US thru non-governmental organizations like the red cross and the thousands of church sponsored programs give more money, time, food and medical aid to countries in need than most other countries combined and we still get spit at by people who cant see past their predigests.

Almost all developed countries give aid, it is not a get out jail free card, ohh sure we did this and that but look at all the aid we've given surely were still the good guys ?

I suppose the other part of it is Americas claim that it does things for the good of the world, the majority of the time its just its own national interests guiding policy, which is fair enough just don't claim to be helping when your just acting through national interest....

[Tribesman]

The US government and the independent people of the US thru non-governmental organizations like the red cross and the thousands of church sponsored programs give more money, time, food and medical aid to countries in need than most other countries combined and we still get spit at by people who cant see past their predigests.

There was this carpenter a while ago that told a story about someone that gave lots of money and thought it made him special .

[Incongruous]

Ok, Redleg the U.S.A has never attempted to divide the middle-east for its own gain, never ever...

When I said the racism in Israel I was talking about political racism, you know like you guys had 60 or so years ago, and I think you knew that. If you attempt to refute this you are either increadibly pro-Israel/zionist or you do not care to read.

Peace cannot be forced! Yes well done we are both starting to get somewhere. You cannot force peace very well, though I expect it can be done. Innstead you can start being reasonable and realistic when it comes to The Holy Land, and please don't give me that crap about a Mid-East Road map, because Israel is still building settlements and the U.S.A does not give a toss.

The U.S.A has every power to force Israel back to its borders but you seem to feel that you cannot do this, perhaps ten more years of suicide bombings will make the U.S.A see sense.

I am not realistic for not indulging myself in White Tower generalisations about the state of man's civic society reminiscent of Aristotle's? Yeah and pigs can fly.
C;mon give me more of ya 'ism's.

[Redleg]

Ok, Redleg the U.S.A has never attempted to divide the middle-east for its own gain, never ever...

Control aspects of the Middle East would be correct - attempt to divide arguement falls flat on its face when looking at history. The Middle-East was divided by France and England as part of their mandate at the end of World War 2. Your agruement wasnt about control other nations but dividing the total middle-east. This is a false arguement.

When I said the racism in Israel I was talking about political racism, you know like you guys had 60 or so years ago, and I think you knew that. If you attempt to refute this you are either increadibly pro-Israel/zionist or you do not care to read.f

Sorry there Bopa - racism is racism in all its ugly forms. I dont seperate one form of racism from the other. You want racism to end take a closer look at your own nation before criticizing other nations on racism. As for calling me a Zionist - that is laughable since I firmly believe both sides are wrong. So try again with a different label.

Peace cannot be forced! Yes well done we are both starting to get somewhere. You cannot force peace very well, though I expect it can be done. Innstead you can start being reasonable and realistic when it comes to The Holy Land, and please don't give me that crap about a Mid-East Road map, because Israel is still building settlements and the U.S.A does not give a toss.

Again reasonable and realistic is not something you have presented - you have presented just one type of arguement. Nope wasn't taking about the Mid-East Road Map but something else entirily. Do a little research into Jimmy Carter's peace building efforts in the that region.

The U.S.A has every power to force Israel back to its borders but you seem to feel that you cannot do this, perhaps ten more years of suicide bombings will make the U.S.A see sense.

Again the United States can not force Israel back to its pre-1967 borders - what we can do is encourage them, and even force sanctions onto them to to so - but in the end its up to Israel to do the right thing. I find statement saying the United States can force another nation to do something as not talking a peaceful nor realistic approach to the situation. Maybe ten more years of suicide bombings will force both Israel and the Palenstine people to see a path to peace.

I am not realistic for not indulging myself in White Tower generalisations about the state of man's civic society reminiscent of Aristotle's? Yeah and pigs can fly.
C;mon give me more of ya 'ism's.

you didnt even come close to smashing the arguement given I didnt use an ism - again you fail to address the actual question.

[Tribesman]

Again the United States can not force Israel back to its pre-1967 borders

Why not ? you forced N.Korea back to its line ,you forced saddam out of the province he claimed as Iraqi territory , you forced Russia out of Afghanistan .
Why is Israel so different ?

[Xiahou]

There was this carpenter a while ago that told a story about someone that gave lots of money and thought it made him special .

I think he also said something about worrying about your own wrongs before worrying about those of others.

[yesdachi]

Almost all developed countries give aid, it is not a get out jail free card, ohh sure we did this and that but look at all the aid we've given surely were still the good guys ?

So you don’t think we are the good guys?


And Tribes, I am not looking to be considered special I am just defensive about comments like this.

Well moral power I think went out the window a long time ago – Bopa about the US

Our government acts big and stupid (like all other governments, we just happen to have one of the biggest therefore its seen acting stupid more often) but to suggest the country is without morals is short sighted. Look a little further and you can see that the country is filled with people doing good.

A few posts later Bopa says

I understand that you as superpower can do what ever you like

If that is true, and we were filled with immoral people wouldn’t we be pillaging countries less powerful than we are rather than sending charity, supplies and soldiers there to help them.

Look at the people on this board that are from the US, do you find them without morals?

Don’t let your predigests for American politics spoil your view of Americans. Name something that the US has done that is crummy to another country and then ask a regular American if they agree with the decision. I don’t think so. I still get pissed that we didn’t send a few troops to the Falklands back in the 80’s.

[LittleGrizzly]

Before i start i would like to say i think there is a difference between the US goverments actions and its citizens opinion, i dont think for a second the majority of americans would support death squads in latin america for example...

So you don’t think we are the good guys?

Not so much not nice guys, in the equivelent of the world playground your the big kid and sure you steal the other kids sweets now and again but you tend not to beat on people too much and stick up for the smallest kids now and again, your an improvement on the bullys we had before

I suppose a better example of my point about giving aid not making up for doing bad things would be a fictional afghanastan, imagine if Afghanastan back in september 2001 had been the most generous aid giving nation, the country gave a large portion of its GDP to aid, and many of it citizens gave to charity very generously and went around the world helping people, and then 9/11 happens with the taliban sheltering al qaeda, all thier generousity (even if it alot more than the bad they have done) wouldn't seem quite so important, thats why similar pleas about generous aid giving would fall on deaf ears in latin america and the middle east...

Look a little further and you can see that the country is filled with people doing good.

I think bopa talks of american policy rather than american citizens

I think he also said something about worrying about your own wrongs before worrying about those of others.

Irony right here...