The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[naut]

Unfortunately I can't be any more obvious with my hints, because if I were I'd pretty much be posting my role PM.
Like I said, look closely at the write-up, the whole night write-up.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Waitasec, the writeup Ichi posted and Sigurd's actual writeup (as per the story thread) don't match. What gives?

[Csargo]

Waitasec, the writeup Ichi posted and Sigurd's actual writeup (as per the story thread) don't match. What gives?

I googled the last line of the night write-up. That joke was the first thing that came up.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm. I missed the reference to Constantinople earlier. Perhaps Rythmic was a missionary of sorts? Either way, he was clearly not a norseman.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What about that lair of the demons place he mentioned? Is that a Christian thing too?

I'd look it up myself, but I'm too lazy/tired. See you all tomorrow.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm. Gehenna's a Jewish term for where the wicked were sent after death. He visited Constantinople prior to coming to Iceland. Constantinople was renowned for its wealth, and the goods which flowed through it. Jews, unlike Christians and Muslims, were not forbidden from charging interest, and hence, many filled the roles of merchants and bankers.

So, my hypothesis is that Rythmic was a Jewish merchant. Now, I have absolutely no idea what that would mean in terms of the game, however.

[Csargo]

He keeps saying he forgot his cross in Sofia. I have no idea what he means.

So you're a Bulgarian Jew/Orthodox christian/Rus merchant from Constantinople

[Kralizec]

Christ, I don't know how you people manage to keep up this level of activity.

Vote: glyphz

[glyphz]

It has come to my attention that not everyone (yes, Emphasis to you who would want nothing better than be known as the ones to lynch a god *smirk*), would be able to see my well-sought after 'revelation,' if I decide to do so at least an hour before the deadline as I originally planned, due to differing time-zones. (mmm-must resist the temptation of a good chaotic discussion in the last minutes... oooh, i feel nauseous just thinking of it)

I believe 15 hrs, is a generous amount of time, but as compensation I will withhold a very important NAME and a few choice words, until I see fit. So... lady (*wink*) and boys.... ready your magnifying glasses and make sure you're at least half sober (if term exists)...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.

You are a one of the Æsir and are currently hiding amongst the retinues of the kings at Althing. You do not know who your fellow Æsir are. One of the traits of gods in hiding is their ability to completely hide from each other.

Loki and other Æsir have no need for sleep and you find yourself wandering around the camp at night. ****y*n**************ble ***********noth***************ee i***hey*h***** *********act*****. *************and are*********hat******, *****ill*********** *ave*******pl****** **st*an*********etu**.
Pm me the ----------------------------------------------------------.
In the previous game you were given the task of making chaos. In this game you dare nothing other than keeping to the good side as you suspect there is another Æsir amongst the king’s men. Someone you fear.
You will aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help dispose of them.

During Holmgang you will be able to mask your godly abilities but you will seldom lose.
Should you fight against another God or Jotun, ----------------------------------------.

Holmgang ability: C against humans (*******ie**w**). h against other gods or Jotun.

As you stumble upon --------------- ---------- that ------ not sleeping. ---------------- ------------------------------ and you can with your Godly perception ------------------- fakes -------.
Later you see ------------------------------. -------------------- returns ------------ falls --------------------------.

ANALYZE AWAY *gets popcorn and a good front-seat view*

[Csargo]

I'd put you on ignore glyphz, but I'm afraid I'd forget to turn it off once the game was over.

[seireikhaan]

Precisely. You should've realized that I'm neutral at the beginning, Pkevvv

So, here, glyphz states that it should have been obvious that he started the game as neutral.

And yet...

You will aid the humans in their search for Jotun and help dispose of them.

according to the PM he just posted. Contradictions, and I DON'T like it. Lynch him.

[Tratorix]

Loki: The God of tricks and pranks.

This is the only part of that role pm anyone should bother reading.

[glyphz]

So, here, glyphz states that it should have been obvious that he started the game as neutral.

And yet...


according to the PM he just posted. Contradictions, and I DON'T like it. Lynch him.

Contradictions?
....
I AM LOOOOOKKIIIIII!!!!!!!

Do you think just because my rolePM states I cannot change allegiance, doesn't mean I can't cause confusion. I may be pro-town but that does not mean I'll just drop my grudges and give 'ol smelly Heimdall a tightly, love-filled hug or share my toys with, nor join hands with mere mortals around a campfire and sing "KUUUMBAYA!!!!!"

[seireikhaan]

Contradictions?
....
I AM LOOOOOKKIIIIII!!!!!!!

Do you think just because my rolePM states I cannot change allegiance, doesn't mean I can't cause confusion. I may be pro-town but that does not mean I'll just drop my grudges and give 'ol smelly Heimdall a tightly, love-filled hug, nor join hands with mere mortals around a campfire and sing "KUUUMBAYA!!!!!"

...
THIS IS ICELAAAAAND!!! *kicks Loki all the way to Greenland*

Sorry, I'm not buying this. In mafia, you're either with us, or against us. Tricksters are not welcome, as far as I'm concerned.

[glyphz]

...
THIS IS ICELAAAAAND!!! *kicks Loki all the way to Greenland*

Sorry, I'm not buying this. In mafia, you're either with us, or against us. Tricksters are not welcome, as far as I'm concerned.

Hmph! I tire of this.
*takes a deep breath* "Bard play me a soft tune!"
Loki's story

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Loki's stuck with the good guys from the start, pro-town, in liege w/ Aesir, but he'd rather not be found out to the Aesir (according to Role). 'Fine, low-profile, i can come up with a plan stay low, but still gain victory' (Winning First +1 Dread).
Rnd 1, we lynched Odin. BooHoo! The first watch diddn't reveal anything.
Rnd 2, we lynched a King. Great Start LOL! He did not bought absence=Jotun, voted Abstain. And look who I decide to observe that night.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Night 2

As you stumble upon privateerkev, you -----------------------------. He ---------------------------- lying down to sleep. You notice that he is alert even in sleep. Yet as you hope something will happen, ----------.
He ---------- bedroll ---------- night.

Loki became deeply troubled by the single kills/night, perhaps the Jotun was minimizing the chances of pro-town detection, let the mortals become paranoid and have them reveal their PMs due to the most ridiculous of accusations, w/o them making an effort. Well so far it was working, as Motep & Tratorix revealed (truth or not, IDK, though you can order me watch him next night to prove his innocence *hint x2*).
Ridiculous!
If the Jotun can get 2 freebie reveals, they could all of a sudden jump on these 2 as they please, so Loki thought.

Loki decided to make a risk. "I will reveal to a few mortals and collaborate with them, at least avoidin Aesir, but help the cause." PKev was actively campaigning against the slightest suspicion (Tratorix and Motep), but he claims he have already started a private networkof innocents. And he's mortal. Thus Loki offered his services, privately, to make sure he keeps himself hidden and make sure PKev doesn't go off-track and lynch a potential Lord/god, but not before adding a little test ("How many kills do you think will happen tonight?" - just couldn't resist).

Loki didn't expect PKev to be very wary of him, it seems he is not well-received among the Norse. It ended up backfiring, Loki's plan exploding in his face, thus being back-stabbed, thus Loki being very very pissed.
"THE INGRATE!" he raged." i had to pick the hostile mortal, jeez. I even made sure to behave properly." Pissed ol' Loki dropped the "Chaos Grenade" at those he was supposed to help clean the vermin, and the rest is history. (Nightwatch part 3 was more promising, and thought he could use this to redeem himself, and revealing thus makes him a target to a Jotun-Smash)
... Yep, that's it.
...
OK, fine. I'm sorry. Can I have my fluffy-bunny pic back, TinCow?!

[Andres]

Just a small note: can we please refrain from calling other people "idiots"?

Thank you

[seireikhaan]

Any thoughts on all this, Andres?

[Andres]

Any thoughts on all this, Andres?

Loki is, well, he's Loki

After the "TinCow disaster" in Netherworld, I don't feel like letting him live.

Sorry glyphz, but you'll have to give us more than that fake role pm if you want to avoid getting lynched.

Vote : glyphz

Oh allmighty Loki, save us from our own stupidity by revealing your real role pm. Save us, low and humble peasants, from the embarressement of lynching a powerful God as yourself.


Btw, getting an important role in your very first mafia game is hard, but as far as entertainment value goes, you're doing an excellent job

[CountArach]

Just a thought, but looking over the first Midgard Saga, the Loki could join either side (As Reenk Roink did). Leaving such a character alive in a game such as this is going to be incredibly risky. I say lynch him. That is of course assuming that he really is Loki - if he is not then lynch him for lying.

[glyphz]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Loki is, well, he's Loki

After the "TinCow disaster" in Netherworld, I don't feel like letting him live.

Sorry glyphz, but you'll have to give us more than that fake role pm if you want to avoid getting lynched.

Vote : glyphz

Oh allmighty Loki, save us from our own stupidity by revealing your real role pm. Save us, low and humble peasants, from the embarressement of lynching a powerful God as yourself.


Btw, getting an important role in your very first mafia game is hard, but as far as entertainment value goes, you're doing an excellent job

Finally, it has been so long since someone showed me the respect deserving of a god. I feel weary, and more open to go back to the other realm. But I must deny you as I have reasons not to reveal wholly, while stubbornly claim myself innocent.
1) I am hesitant to reveal power role holmgang stats (w/c I believe is different in MS I), i'd be the first to do so, and the Jotun may pick up on it.
2) The runic emblem that signify that I am a true pro-town role (Aesir). Posting it will allow the Jotun to copy it and use it to cause deception. Now, if 5 people will vouch that the same runic emblem can be commonly found, here in Iceland (gameroom) then I will post mine. Now, aren't I thoughtful?
3) Simply because I am Loki. It's probably better that there is always a side that believes Loki and a side who're wary of him. I've decided to make things uneasy, such as masking/not revealing eveerything in my rolePM. I have offered my evidence. Do you believe what I have presented as genuine or not. Perhaps, it is my fate to eternally stand under the cloud of suspicion and struggle to overcome it.

I will compensate this by offering:
1) Let me live and I will allow you the mortals to use my ability to anyone who they wish . Then again exposing my role could mean that I lose this ability)
2) Use me as an Holmgang 'fodder', reach a decision and i will challenge that person. I advise you use this when you're sure the challenged is worth the suspicion
3) If you dont find any use to me, dont waste a vote, and let the Jotun try to take me out themselves. I will not go down without a fight.

If you still don't find this enough or still are wary of me (believe i'm not Loki at all), let your votes stand, and I Loki, the Clever One, will accept defeat and stand down. Perhaps losing an untrusted 'ally' will finally make the wheel of good fortune turn.
*This is my last post before I go and take a long nap, for the next time you see me, I'd be back at being my loud, defiant, usual self

[Ferret]

the following people are either Jotun or comlplete idiots:

2. Motep
3. Andres
4. Eliit Tuhkur
5. Quintus.J.Cicero

Wthis town deserrvs to loose this game with, Jotun playing very well, while town being complete idiots.hat the hell were you thinking?

Care to give a reason between insulting people? The first one I maybe agree with but none of the others

[CountArach]

1) I am hesitant to reveal power role holmgang stats (w/c I believe is different in MS I), i'd be the first to do so, and the Jotun may pick up on it.

Then leave the Holmgang stats out of it, I'm sure we won't mind.

2) The runic emblem that signify that I am a true pro-town role (Aesir). Posting it will allow the Jotun to copy it and use it to cause deception. Now, if 5 people will vouch that the same runic emblem can be commonly found, here in Iceland (gameroom) then I will post mine. Now, aren't I thoughtful?

This line makes me somewhat more inclined to believe that this is your role, but not more likely to believe that you are entirely innocent. A quick question to one of the townies - Does the Townie PM have a runic inscription?

3) Simply because I am Loki. It's probably better that there is always a side that believes Loki and a side who're wary of him. I've decided to make things uneasy, such as masking/not revealing eveerything in my rolePM. I have offered my evidence. Do you believe what I have presented as genuine or not. Perhaps, it is my fate to eternally stand under the cloud of suspicion and struggle to overcome it.

Masking your evidence is severely anti-town play. In fact, you have not revealed anything about your role PM that I have seen. Can you confirm if you are allowed to change sides, as Loki was allowed to in the first game?

I will compensate this by offering:
1) Let me live and I will allow you the mortals to use my ability to anyone who they wish . Then again exposing my role could mean that I lose this ability)

Which ability? Did I miss something?

2) Use me as an Holmgang 'fodder', reach a decision and i will challenge that person. I advise you use this when you're sure the challenged is worth the suspicion

If you are truly Aesir your Holmgang would be awesome, and if you were pro-town you would have concerns over using this every round. This makes me suspect you don't want to take the pro-town route.

[LittleGrizzly]

I find people that can go either way often choose to side with the mafia, that and contradictory statements about being neutral and then being a good guy, lieing makes you look scummy...

Im not completely sure but Vote glyphz

ohh and TC's loki role pm made me lol!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

At the risk of sounding repetitive...

I still think we're making a big mistake. Loki is putting himself completely in the open, offering to Holmgang at the town's behest, investigate at the town's behest, claiming Aesir...

And we dismiss it out of hand because he's Loki.

Has anybody thought of the fact that Glyphz's english isn't the best (my apologies ), whereas the role PM seems to be fairly well-written? Yes I'm aware that he could have deleted parts, but at the same time take into account that this is his first game. I know that I wouldn't have been as audacious in my first game.

Next point. He has a plausible reason for PMing PrivateerKev. See above, he claimed to have investigated him, N2. And found him innocent. Why would he contact him, and reveal himself to a (in his eyes) confirmed innocent, if he was indeed Jotun?

Thirdly, he is correct about the runes. On his role PM he would have had them, I'm not sure if CA could confirm if they are the same (probably contradicts the rules somewhere), and I'm sure any remaining Aesir would refuse to expose themselves, but posting them would be a start. (@ Count Arach, townies did also receive runes, see Pever above... and back about 20 pages...).

Since the start of today we have concluded absolutely nothing except that Rythmic had a strange role... Christian, Constantinople... SK? I doubt it...

...and that Glyphz is most likely Loki...

In other words the Jotun have a round where they can hide behind a massive bandwagon, and even jump on it publicly with great fanfare and not be picked up for it. There has been no constructive discussion because everybody has just been panning Glyphz, who has popped up constantly defending himself. Entertaining? Yes. Constructive? Definitely not.

I'm on the verge of chucking a Kage and washing my hands of the lot of you!!!

But seriously, this is frustrating, a day wasted. Not everybodyhad to jump on the bandwagon, we could have had some leadership, but no....

I think Gah! is where I should end this missive.

[FactionHeir]

I think while its a risk, for now he will be more useful alive than dead since he cannot recruit people like TC did in NWM.

Besides, he might end up as a frightened Jotun kill, so we might as well lynch someone more deserving.

[CountArach]

Thirdly, he is correct about the runes. On his role PM he would have had them, I'm not sure if CA could confirm if they are the same (probably contradicts the rules somewhere), and I'm sure any remaining Aesir would refuse to expose themselves, but posting them would be a start. (@ Count Arach, townies did also receive runes, see Pever above... and back about 20 pages...).

I considered this, but even if it didn't contradict the rules I would be against it as against the spirit of the rules. Also, thanks for clarifying the Townies receiving runes thing.

[Sarathos]

I agree, why the bandwagon on Glyphz?

And why is Kage being so agressive? Its just a game mate.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

@Count Arach:Quite understandable.

Thinking it over you are quite right.

[Warmaster Horus]

Why the bandwagon? 'Cos it sure seems like he isn't going to help the town. In other words, very lynchable.
Although, you've got to hand it to him, he role plays very well.

[Husar]

Well, if he says he found Privateerkev to be innocent, I will

Unvote: Privateerkev
Vote: Caius

because I do not think Caius posted a lot and while I'm at it there are some other players I didn't read too much from.

Concerning Kage, he was most likely drunk when he ranted here, you have to forgive him guys, he was under the influence.