Asia ton Barbaron disscusion thread

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Wa ha, you'll need more factions to represent all the area.

[anelious phyros]

So am I ever going to be able to skin something for you guys or what?

[Visitor13]

^ What, they missed your offer ?

[svramj]

^ What, they missed your offer ?

No No....we are not

So am I ever going to be able to skin something for you guys or what?

Anelious we have got a lot of Xiongu/Wusun units to be made and its you who will skin them.....

[||Lz3||]

why you didn't go all the way to china? hehehe

[satalexton]

they did already, just touching the south-eastern edge of china's political (and military) influence. If they went any further east, the mod would need A LOT more unit slots....

[Malik of Sindh]

ignore

[||Lz3||]

there are a lot more unit slots in alex.exe

doesn't matter really , it's looking great! I honestly want to try it the day it goes out

[Athkara]

there are a lot more unit slots in alex.exe

Yeah... but then there's the little thing where I don't have Alexander......


Anyways, here's another little map update; the radar map in-game showing all factions' starting positions (still a wip).

[CarolvsAntonivs]

Wow, it looks awesome, can't wait to see the results. I like the idea of many hellenistic kigdoms such as Bosphoran, Pergamun, Atropatene, etc. Keep working guys!!!

[Pinkkiller]

hmm where is Wusun on that map?

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

nevermind

[CaesarAugustus]

Hello AtB team, I have been following this mod and am happy to see your new map... that being said are you sure it is worth having all those extra regions in Indochina without any faction to represent them? It seems to be kind of a waste of province slots in my opinion, even though I see the potential for some interesting Maurya expansion by the AI (and human player) into Southeast Asia, India's influence on the region was primarily cultural and not military. That being said, if there are enough province slots to accurately represent the population of the map including Indochina, and unit slots to represent a few local units for recruitment (in Tibet too), all the better. :) If not, well, why not move the map slightly westwards so that the edge borders the tip of that neon green faction (Wusun?). I am aware that it is still a WIP, so I will leave it to your much, much better judgement.

Oh, and can you please consider setting one or two unit slots aside for Chinese Qin mercenaries? Please?

[iberus_generalis]

i second to that!=)
Me would love to see chinese units, i wont ask for a chinese faction for the unused faction slot...but it would be awesome to have some chinese units running around=)
even a faction idea would be that far off, china is almost at the edge of the map=P

[Admetos]

@CarolvsAntonivs - Thanks alot for the support. We really appreciate it.

@Pinkkiller - Missing, evidently. As was said, it's a WIP so I'm sure it'll be there soon. I'll have a word with Athkara and get him to update it.

@CaesarAugustus - Thanks for the support Caesar. As has been said, Athkara is in charge of the mapping side, but I'm sure if we're in need of extra provinces, South East Asia will definetly be the first place we take them from.

It's not really my area of expertise, but I'm fairly sure there'll be no Chinese mercenaries.

[Athkara]

OK, now to answer some questions;

First, Wusun is there on the map, they're the dark blue faction in the upper right -- the bright green one is the Yuezhi. If you count, there are 19 factions on the map, + the Romans as emergent, which makes 20.

As for SE Asia, the closest thing to faction material there would be the kingdom of Dian in modern Yunnan provence, which was quite isolated -- famously, when they first encountered envoys from the Han dynasty, the king of Dian asked them which was larger, Han or Dian. But overall, Dian just isn't as important as our other factions.

Moving the map west as CaesarAugustus suggests would end up including Illyria and about a third of Italy - something that we're not going to do. As it is, the eastern extent mannages to include all of the Gansu corridor in the north, and provides some more space for the northern steppe factions to expand into. The inclusion of SE Asia is a result of that and will hopefully help to slow down Mauryan expansion.

About Chinese mercs, I don't think that'll be very likely as I've yet to see any information about Chinese soldiers hiring themselves out as mercenaries beyond the borders of China proper at the time. A more historical choice for mercs from around NW China would be the 'barbarian' tribes of the region, such as the Rong, Di, and Qiang which had heavy Chinese influence. We'll be representing them, to give the Yuezhi another source of infantry.


Thanks to everyone for showing intrest.

[teh1337tim]

hey athkra- im pretty sure the qiang and rong have nearly identicle millitary structure and units to the chinese armies of this period (hell it was the warring kingdoms era) so im pretty sure chinese copied/influenced units can be recruited from them :)

1- secure ur borders
2- wage war-
3- trade with other nations of little value
4= win..or epic phail

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

1- secure ur borders
2- wage war-
3- trade with other nations of little value
4= win..or epic phail

5- ????
6- PROFIT!

[Uranos]

Unless you guys get the permission to use all the stuff - units, pics, traits, names and all the rest from the Three Kingdoms TW mod: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=264
imo you better cut the eastern part of the map till the India and concentrate on the rest factions - it could speed up the release date pretty much. China can be added in future releases

[Admetos]

China isn't getting added. The area we have got isn't priority and won't slow us down.

[teh1337tim]

hehehe well i know i'll be downloading this mod next to EB when its rdy (you better make Eb playable!)

Btw the yuezhi should have similar calvalry to what China has since they fought many many wars
(border raids, invasions etc) and chinese horse archers (with bows, not crossbows) are armed in the same way as "barbarian riders"

Just a question tho, when this comes out- Is there gunna be a faction thats closely built around chinese units.. if not i'll need to conquear the world again with the new megas alexandros!!!!

[Andronikos]

Nice to hear som news. What is the third Indian faction besides Pandya and Maurya?

[Malik of Sindh]

Satavahana. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahana - not much, but you'll get the idea of it.

[svramj]

For Those who are not sure of the factions of AtB here is the list

----Existing EB factions----
Arche Seleukeia
Baktria
Hayasdan
As'Sab'yn wal'Jau
Makedonia
Senatus Populusque Romanus
Pontos
Pahlava
Saka Rauka
Ptolemaioi

----New AtB factions----
Maurya Saamraajya
Pandiya Nadu
Saathavaahana Janya
Wusun
Yuehzi
Pergamon
Bosphoros
Atropatene
Nabataia
Kyrene

[CaesarAugustus]

Moving the map west as CaesarAugustus suggests would end up including Illyria and about a third of Italy - something that we're not going to do. As it is, the eastern extent mannages to include all of the Gansu corridor in the north, and provides some more space for the northern steppe factions to expand into. The inclusion of SE Asia is a result of that and will hopefully help to slow down Mauryan expansion.

Actually I meant more that the easternmost portion of the map to the Yuezhi border could be cut off, and the additional province slots used to add more regions to the (smaller) existing map. But now that I see that it adds more expansion opportunites for the AI (a Yezhi-Tibetan "faction" would be interesting). And southeast Asia, might indeed slow down Mauryan expansion, provided that they are able to put up some resistance... Maybe something along the lines of Satres in EB's noricum-province. Yes, that would probably do quite nicely to prevent them from steamrolling the southern Indian factions and Seleukids' eastern provinces.

I do not know very much about the east, but I am happy to see that there were sinicized Rong, Di, and Qiang barbarians which you will be representing. I promise not to press the issue after this so as not to become annoying, but as the map does enroach on Qin's westermost border, maybe, just maybe, you would consider adding a few units represent a Chinese expansionist empire's military presence after 221BC? (Kind of like the Yuezhi invasion in EB) Provided of course that there are a few unit slots to spare... And I won't ask about China again. Promise.

Another thing I was wondering, are the Himalayas going to be near impassable? Maybe even impassable (for armies) like the Sahara in EB? Is there any unit planned at this stage for a unit(s) in the Himilayas? and Southeast Asia? and Tibet?

[Admetos]

Maybe something along the lines of Satres in EB's noricum-province. Yes, that would probably do quite nicely to prevent them from steamrolling the southern Indian factions and Seleukids' eastern provinces.

It's too early to say really. If it happens that that's what's needed, the yeah, probably. But as I said, we can't really predict what the AI is going to do yet.

I promise not to press the issue after this so as not to become annoying, but as the map does enroach on Qin's westermost border, maybe, just maybe, you would consider adding a few units represent a Chinese expansionist empire's military presence after 221BC? (Kind of like the Yuezhi invasion in EB) Provided of course that there are a few unit slots to spare... And I won't ask about China again. Promise.

The differnce is though, the Yeuzhi are Steppe nomads that were migrating, the Qin are an empire that aren't. So we can't represent the the expanisionists taking regions, which isn't a problem with the Yeuzhi as they are nomads.

Another thing I was wondering, are the Himalayas going to be near impassable? Maybe even impassable (for armies) like the Sahara in EB? Is there any unit planned at this stage for a unit(s) in the Himilayas? and Southeast Asia? and Tibet?

The Himilayas will be completely impassable; part of the same province as the Saharan and Arabian deserts.

[lobf]

What happened to Pharnakes?

[||Lz3||]

What happened to Pharnakes?

dissapeared without a trace <.<

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

in the twilight zone...

[Admetos]

What happened to Pharnakes?

Good question.

[Pinkkiller]

hmm haven't seen any updates for some time so gotta ask...how is this proceeding?