OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Privateerkev]

Oh, the waaaaaaar will end noooooooow. Noow, noooow, right noooooooooow!

You know, I can't hear it but that just looks painful...

[Motep]

Oh, the waaaaaaar will end noooooooow. Noow, noooow, right noooooooooow!

One of the highlights of this day. I must thank you.

And I agree with PK, that looks ... welll... painful is the best word....

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Have to say that the way WH got Scopia from Methodios is.. brilliant

And please don't sing anymore.. It is really painful to hear see this here

[rossahh]

I'm saying that WH should keep Scopia only because it seems like the only punishment Methodios is going to get from Alexandria.


One thing that I'll say in favour of Tristan's actions at Alexandria is that it's hardly fair to try and hang him IC for a completely OOC action that been plausibly explained IC when the action itself is frowned upon IC yet is an important and realistic part of the game OOC.

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[TinCow]

I think the whole situation has been played brilliantly by everyone. I'm actually more interested in what's going on in Egypt than I am in the Caesar situation.

[Warmaster Horus]

Thanks for the support guys!

I'll point out that everything I did and said was IC. Taking Scopia was for punishing Methodios. Saying the other senators disgusted me was because you appeared to take Tagaris' side, when he did something horrible IC and they didn't want to punish him.
There's no hard feelings here, I hope

[_Tristan_]

Heh, any hard feelings are purely on Methodios' part...

OOC, I can't but congratulate you on a well executed land-grab...

That doesn't mean I won't continue raising hell and call Nikiphoros all sorts of bad names...

[Privateerkev]

OOC, I have one thing to say about Scopia.

When I play my turn tonight I need to know who owns it.

Language like "will give" does not help me. I need to know who's SOT to obey so land ownership needs to be crystal clear at any one point in time.

If I have to, I'll freeze the game and ask TinCow who owns what settlements at any one time just so I don't accidentally violate someone's SOT.

But it would make things go easier if you guys simply made your language with land transfers very simple and very clear.

Thank you.

[TinCow]

As of this moment, Nikiphoros Manouelitis still own Scopia. Given the controvery that has gone on over it, "will give" isn't strong enough language.

[Privateerkev]

I'm amused that we seem to fight the hardest over the crappiest provinces. Durazzo, Scopia, and there has been a lot of fighting behind the scenes over Gaza.

[Warmaster Horus]

Realized this morning that "will give" wasn't suitable. Unfortunately, I was in class then...
Came back and saw that maybe I shouldn't give it back. That's what I'll do, for now.

True PK, true. But remember that it's not "good land, bad land" that counts. It's having it that does.

[TinCow]

Actually, I don't even know why I'm ruling on this. Let's deal with this IC. If Methodios and Nikiphoros both claim to own Scopia, let the Basileus figure out who's right. I'm not getting involved.

[Privateerkev]

True PK, true. But remember that it's not "good land, bad land" that counts. It's having it that does.

Very true. But it seems the fiercest fights happen over villages and wooden castles.

Actually, I don't even know why I'm ruling on this. Let's deal with this IC. If Methodios and Nikiphoros both claim to own Scopia, let the Basileus figure out who's right. I'm not getting involved.

As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight.

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Nevermind, it doesn't seem like Methodios is actually claiming to own Scopia. So, unless I hear otherwise, Niki owns it.

[TinCow]

As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight.

Not my business. I'm going to shunt as many of these issues into IC territory as I can for the rest of the game.

[_Tristan_]

As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight.

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Nevermind, it doesn't seem like Methodios is actually claiming to own Scopia. So, unless I hear otherwise, Niki owns it.

I sure contest the fact that Manouelitis owns Scopia... I consider it stolen property...

[Privateerkev]

I sure contest the fact that Manouelitis owns Scopia... I consider it stolen property...

Alright, game will be frozen until I know who's SOT to obey.

[_Tristan_]

Appeal made to the Basileos in the Magnaura... Will see where that leads...

[Privateerkev]

Not my business. I'm going to shunt as many of these issues into IC territory as I can for the rest of the game.

What I am confused by is the question of "what is actually being contested?"

Methodios gave Niki land. Niki left the House. Methodios didn't like it and did not give permission. Niki said he "will give" the land back. Now he says he won't.

Exactly what is the Emperor ruling on? Whether "will give" means "I give now"?

To me, both players have followed the rules and I am at a loss as to what is being "disputed."

Methodios not liking that Niki legally took his land is not enough of a reason to freeze the game IMHO.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry for the double post but I am not freezing the game. I just figured out a perfectly fine IC way to get Mak out of this while the Emperor deliberates.

I'll work on the save tonight. If Scopia is figured out by then, great. If it isn't, then it will depend on what both Tristan and WH have in their SOT's. If they both leave the build queue to Megas's discretion, I'll probably build something. If one or neither of them do, Scopia will sit idle. That will allow me to get the game moving while keeping me from even accidentally breaking the law.

[TinCow]

Exactly what is the Emperor ruling on? Whether "will give" means "I give now"?

That's for the Basileus to figure out.

Don't worry, there will be no OOC interference from me on this issue in any way, including 'warning' and penalties. I'm going to attempt to do away with that system altogether in favor of IC resolution of everything that can conceivably be resolved IC.

[Ferret]

Sorry for the double post but I am not freezing the game. I just figured out a perfectly fine IC way to get Mak out of this while the Emperor deliberates.

I'll work on the save tonight. If Scopia is figured out by then, great. If it isn't, then it will depend on what both Tristan and WH have in their SOT's. If they both leave the build queue to Megas's discretion, I'll probably build something. If one or neither of them do, Scopia will sit idle. That will allow me to get the game moving while keeping me from even accidentally breaking the law.

nah build something in Rhodes instead, nothing has been built there the whole game

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[Privateerkev]

nah build something in Rhodes instead, nothing has been built there the whole game

And I am sure that has nothing to do with the fact that the owner of Rhodes is considered by many to be a monster.

And yes, I was foolish enough to open up all those spoilers...

[_Tristan_]

Seeing how Methodios got stripped for sacking Alexandria, I'm not sure we'll see many more sacking/extermination in the years to come...

Except maybe from some with powerful backing...

[Privateerkev]

Seeing how Methodios got stripped for sacking Alexandria, I'm not sure we'll see many more sacking/extermination in the years to come...

Except maybe from some with powerful backing...

Methodios wasn't stripped by a decree from the Senate but by the duplicity of a vassal. I'm sure we'll see sacking/exterminating quite often in this game. The game is basically built to encourage it. Look at what is happening with Cairo. In an SP game, any one of us would have at least sacked it.

[_Tristan_]

I meant stripped like in

[ULC]

I meant stripped like in

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[Privateerkev]

I meant stripped like in

Now that would indeed be an interesting Magnaura session. Kind of a "chip an dales" theme...

[Privateerkev]

I think Scopia holds the record right now for having the largest number of owners throughout the game. (4)

"Provinces... some are treated with reverence and are passed from father to son for generations. And some are basically the medieval equivalent of trading cards..."

[Ferret]

Antioch looks nice, you up for a trade? I've got two spare Rhodes cards that I don't need

[Privateerkev]

Antioch looks nice, you up for a trade? I've got two spare Rhodes cards that I don't need

Antioch isn't mine to trade. But I fear even two "Rhodes" wouldn't come close to equaling one Antioch. Who ever has been governing Rhodes has done a horrible job and it is just a floating isle of junk.