The Eugenic Annihilation of Children with Down's Syndrome

**Ironside** · 09-12-2008, 18:37

Originally Posted by Fragony

It's not fixing it is eleminating. And if a child is born terminalliy ill it should be possible to skip the hard parts like we do here but that is something different, this isn't about pro-life it's about what deserves a chance, when we judge it by our standards it's projection and that is simply not fair.

Yes, it's elimination, but of what? Induviduals? Yes... and no.
Genes? Yes... but that's evolution in a nutshell and by the time we can change the genes on this level, we're already creating new evolutionary conditions.

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Anyway, we need to have this discussion until people get it that abortion is homicide.

That's easy, homocide is the killing of an induvidual. Of course, then the following question is; What's an induvidual?
Ok, ok, legally it's the killing of a body, but that's also bizzare in the grey zones

I'm still waiting for an answer for the questions BTW...
But if you really can't answer it, then you can wait until we're old and gray and it's reality and not some forum speculation. But on the other hand you won't have thought through your own opinion on abortion until you atleast tried to answer them.

**Fragony** · 09-12-2008, 19:29

Originally Posted by Ironside

Yes, it's elimination, but of what? Induviduals? Yes... and no.
Genes? Yes... but that's evolution in a nutshell and by the time we can change the genes on this level, we're already creating new evolutionary conditions.

We can afford to have a little inconsistancy here and there, we got so many, why not make an exception here and there just to not be able to kill someone for having down-syndrome. This isnt like normal abortion for whatever reason, the people that do this have already decided they want a child, it's disgusting.

**rvg** · 09-12-2008, 19:39

Never had a problem with people aborting foetii with down's syndrome. The condition is irreversible and incurable. The diagnosis is absolute (extra chromosome is something you just don't miss). Then again, I'm pro-choice in general.

**Tribesman** · 09-12-2008, 20:18

The diagnosis is absolute (extra chromosome is something you just don't miss).

Bollox
The detection and diagnosis is not absolute .

However since Lars is unable (or unwilling) to answer the question I put I may has well say that the level to which the presense of the disorder will affect the individual is not determinable until after the birth , often several years afer the birth .

**rvg** · 09-12-2008, 21:35

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Bollox
The detection and diagnosis is not absolute .

However since Lars is unable (or unwilling) to answer the question I put I may has well say that the level to which the presense of the disorder will affect the individual is not determinable until after the birth , often several years afer the birth .

Bull. The condition is known right around 5th month of pregnancy. The diagnosis is absolute, and there are no degrees of down's syndrome. You either have it, or you don't.

**Big_John** · 09-13-2008, 00:03

Originally Posted by rvg

there are no degrees of down's syndrome. You either have it, or you don't.

i believe his point is that the level of function of people with down syndrome is highly variable.

**Tribesman** · 09-13-2008, 02:31

Bull. The condition is known right around 5th month of pregnancy. The diagnosis is absolute, and there are no degrees of down's syndrome. You either have it, or you don't.

Really , then you won't mind naming the pre-natal process that gives your imaginary 100% accurate diagnosis then will you

As for the second part of that post John said enough already , and what was written was perfectly clear

**Fragony** · 09-12-2008, 20:22

Originally Posted by rvg

Never had a problem with people aborting foetii with down's syndrome. The condition is irreversible and incurable.

Funny, that is how I think about the muslims in europe.

**Strike For The South** · 09-12-2008, 20:33

Originally Posted by Fragony

Funny, that is how I think about the muslims in europe.

Can somebody educate me on that suituation? There such a small % of the POP. I dont get it!

**Big_John** · 09-12-2008, 20:38

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Can somebody educate me on that suituation? There such a small % of the POP. I dont get it!

link

**Strike For The South** · 09-12-2008, 20:41

Originally Posted by Big_John

link

thank you

**m52nickerson** · 09-13-2008, 03:11

Originally Posted by Ironside

Yes, it's elimination, but of what? Induviduals? Yes... and no.
Genes? Yes... but that's evolution in a nutshell and by the time we can change the genes on this level, we're already creating new evolutionary conditions.

That's easy, homocide is the killing of an induvidual. Of course, then the following question is; What's an induvidual?
Ok, ok, legally it's the killing of a body, but that's also bizzare in the grey zones

I'm still waiting for an answer for the questions BTW...
But if you really can't answer it, then you can wait until we're old and gray and it's reality and not some forum speculation. But on the other hand you won't have thought through your own opinion on abortion until you atleast tried to answer them.

The best definition of an individual would be - existing as a distinct entity. Since a fetus is dependent on its mother, and only its for life, it would not be an individual. In other word until the fetus can survive out side of the womb it is not an individual.