OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Ituralde]

I agree fully with your interpretation. That's the way I would have handled it too. I just want to make sure we're all on the same page here. As this is something that isn't explicitly covered in the rules and people coming from KotR and WotS might have a different understanding of the matter than people new to this game.

As long as its clear that Edicts can't override the Rules. I found your wording of the Edict to be pretty good, Smowz, as it keeps that in mind and still puts pressure on the owners on those settlements and the Megas to enforce it.

[AussieGiant]

Ituralde, Smowz,

You are right on the money in my view.

There has been "legislation wars", or threats of these types of wars in KotR. It is perfectly fair to do this because "others" can table "counter legislation" which can be voted on.

In this case the two gentlemen are away, a lot, and this is a nice IC way of solving the problem. And as we know the policy is IC, IC, IC, then if in doubt, IC.

[TinCow]

Just my views on the building Edicts.

Do I see this right that those are Edicts that are binding for Senators, since they can not be enforced by the Megas without breaking the game rules. So if the conversion of Rhodes must be done by will of the Senate, its owner Hypatios Machonios must put this in the build queue otherwise the Megas can not fulfill the Edict since he is only allowed to build things that appear on the build queue and Edicts don't overrule parts of the rules.

Just because the Edict says that the settlements have to be converted doesn't mean it contradicts the rules. The rules allow for IC methods to convert settlements, so this Edict just dictates how those existing options must be exercised. It is true, however, that the only way they can be enforced is by the owner of the settlement. So, the effect of the Edict will be IC legislation requiring the owners of the two settlements to stick conversion to city at the top of their build queues. If they refuse to do so, their refusal will have to be dealt with IC.

In this case the two gentlemen are away, a lot and this is a nice IC way of solving the problem.

Elite Ferret was online yesterday, so he does not appear to be AWOL. If he refuses to post a build queue with a settlement conversion, use the various IC powers to whack him over the head until he does. PK is not an issue, since this will be the second normal Senate session he will have missed. Thus, as soon as this one is over, his province will become the property of Armatos ek Naksou (Cecil XIX) and it will then be his responsibility to do the proper build queue.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

PK is not an issue, since this will be the second normal Senate session he will have missed.

Perhaps he will miss it because of the 30 days ban?

EDIT: Checked the dates and PK's 30 days ban ended yesterday if I'm correct.

[TinCow]

PK hasn't been online since shortly before I issued the ban. It has now expired and he was presumably never even aware of it.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That I didn't know.

[Ituralde]

Just because the Edict says that the settlements have to be converted doesn't mean it contradicts the rules. The rules allow for IC methods to convert settlements, so this Edict just dictates how those existing options must be exercised. It is true, however, that the only way they can be enforced is by the owner of the settlement. So, the effect of the Edict will be IC legislation requiring the owners of the two settlements to stick conversion to city at the top of their build queues. If they refuse to do so, their refusal will have to be dealt with IC.

Yeah sorry wasn't clear there. I meant it the way you wrote it, the Edicts vs. rules bit was just meant as a general reminder.

[_Tristan_]

Now the question is whether or not Methodios will let that happen

Not a chance of that happening...

[woad&fangs]

Power of the Basileus #10, from the rules
(10) Decides which Senator, if any, a Princess should marry.

[AussieGiant]

Worked that out behind closed doors.

Get the Ring ready Tristan

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Power of the Basileus #10, from the rules
(10) Decides which Senator, if any, a Princess should marry.

In that case.. I have no chance to get her!

[_Tristan_]

Power of the Basileus #10, from the rules
(10) Decides which Senator, if any, a Princess should marry.

Yes but you'd still have to come and grab her in Egypt...

EDIT : And that power makes sense when and where the Princess is the Basileus own daughter... which in this case she clearly isn't....

[Rowan]

Have we finally found out the one thing that will trigger a civil war? Will the woman in love escape an arranged marriage? Which one is greater, a man's loyalty to his king or father's love?

These, and all other questions you may have, will be answered during the next term.

[woad&fangs]

TROJAN WAR II !!!

Unfortunately me and Tristan are on opposite sides of the Empire so I'll have to settle for lopping off her suitors head

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Fortunately for me I have a fleet and I can get to Methodios' daughter and ask 'her' to marry Theo!

[OverKnight]

Considering the poor girl has a one heart rating, her's is hardly the face that launched a thousand ships, unless they were fleeing in the other direction.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Considering the poor girl has a one heart rating, her's is hardly the face that launched a thousand ships, unless they were fleeing in the other direction.

[flyd]

EDIT : And that power makes sense when and where the Princess is the Basileus own daughter... which in this case she clearly isn't....

You're right. The rule itself was written probably before we realized that in SS all the girls become princesses. In the spirit of ICness, perhaps you should propose an amendment to change that to the daughter's father. It is a silly rule, you might have some support.

[AussieGiant]

While interesting, retrospective legislation is a hard sell.

[Ramses II CP]

We have an interesting case here because, and this IMHO is the crucial point, the Princess, as an agent, is moved by the Megas. Thus, as would be the case in ordering a ceasefire via a diplomat, it's the Megas who must implement the commands of the Emperor. If the next Megas declines to send the Princess to find Andronikos then, well, I guess he will have to just come and get her, eh?

I don't think anyone disputes that the Emp has the right to decide which senator the princess should marry, but he has no right to implement that decision. That is strictly the purview of the Megas, though he must obviously bear the IC consequences of his decisions.

Looking at the current crop of candidates for Megas, however, it may require Methodios running himself to prevent it?

I'm working on a Vissa letter for the senate, but it'll probably not be until tomorrow or late tonight since today is a football day.

[AussieGiant]

Interesting read on the issue Ramses.

I like it.

It should make for some interesting IC moves.

[TinCow]

FYI, the Basileus deciding who Princesses should marry even when they are not his daughters is intentional. I'm not sure about Byzantium, but historically, the Kings of Europe always had the final say in any royal marriage. If you were of royal blood and married without your Regent's permission, you were usually in a boatload of trouble.

Ramses is correct in this situation. It would violate the rules to allow the Princess to marry anyone other than the Basileus' choice. However, just because she can't marry someone else doesn't mean she can't be 'stalled' as he suggests. Both sides have more than enough power to decide whether they want to compromise on this issue or escalate.

[Ignoramus]

Maybe this is an excellent time for a new recruitment ad? The way things are looking, the more the merrier.

[Ignoramus]

Also, weren't non player characters in the Magnaura disallowed? Because Demetrios is obviously YLC's character to attack the Basileus without Nikolas actually doing so.

[AussieGiant]

Yeah, who is this kid YLC??

[TinCow]

Maybe this is an excellent time for a new recruitment ad? The way things are looking, the more the merrier.

I've about exhausted the ad potential here at the Org. I'm trying to figure out the proper way to put up an ad at TWC, but the mods I have contacted about it over there haven't responded to me. [edit] Coincidentally they just did. An ad will be going up at TWC in the near future.

I do very much encourage everyone to recruit people in whatever way they can. If you know someone who you think might be interested, whether on this forum or another one, please PM them and invite them. Keep in mind, that you are perfectly free to recruit people right into your own House as well, so recruiting can strengthen your own position within the game.

[ULC]

The kid is Demetrios ek Kallipoleos, and he wants to speak with you most urgently Apionnas. He is the Veteran Warrior ancillary, although I am having a hard time coming up with a back story that isn't to long to explain this.

[TinCow]

The Influence Table has been updated. Please point out any errors that you find.

At this point, the entire Library update is complete, except for the locations of the avatars in 1140 and 1155. This seems to be an area of information that I constantly fall down, so I'd like to ask whether people think it is useful information to have. Do you guys care about where the avatars were located at the various Senate sessions? If not, I may simply erase that info from the Library.

[Ituralde]

I find it interesting in retracing the steps of my characters, but can understand completely if it is left out due to being a major pain in the ****!

[AussieGiant]

Can anyone tell me where TheFlax posted his Dean duties?