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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Human species is completely devoid of any instincts whatsoever. At least of anything that can be scientifically defined as an instinct. We do have some basic drives, but those do not qualify as instincts.
    You sound quite certain of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    You sound quite certain of this.
    100% certain.
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    We do have some basic drives...
    What might those be? Is there a definitive list?
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    What might those be? Is there a definitive list?
    The usual stuff...foraging, safety, shelter. The very basics.

    Long story short, in order for a drive to be called an instinct, it has to be followed by every member of the species at all (applicable) times. There's quite literally *no* aspect of human behavior that can meet this condition. So, things like self-preservation that might *seem* like an instinct, actually do not qualify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    The usual stuff...foraging, safety, shelter. The very basics.

    Long story short, in order for a drive to be called an instinct, it has to be followed by every member of the species at all (applicable) times. There's quite literally *no* aspect of human behavior that can meet this condition. So, things like self-preservation that might *seem* like an instinct, actually do not qualify.
    The lack of self-preservation might be an instinct, we are social creatures. There has never been a society without religion, religion is probably the most basic codification of law, since religions have the same themes everywhere the same rules are in place everywhere. How do you explain that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    The lack of self-preservation might be an instinct
    No, because every member of the species has to unquestionably (or subconsciously) conform to an instinct. Humans have no instincts. None.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No, because every member of the species has to unquestionably (or subconsciously) conform to an instinct. Humans have no instincts. None.
    Don't we? Religions always arise in organised society's, when man has to deal with man. All cultures have some variety of celebrating harvest and festivity for example, pretty basic if you intend to be alive, I would call the harvest and reproduction celebrations a product of our instincts, pretty basic instincts, it's just how we deal with it without getting killed. Everywhere.

    To put it mild, if you believe in God here, you are seen as the village idiot.

    In towns perhaps but towns are not the villages, scandinavia is a very very very christian place it puts our biblebelt to shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No, because every member of the species has to unquestionably (or subconsciously) conform to an instinct. Humans have no instincts. None.
    That isn't the definition of instinct. Also, when babies go in the swimming pool they instinctively hold their breath.

    Teaching religion is not mental abuse. If the parents are open minded rather than fanatical then no harm will come of teaching their children about religion or anything else. Some of them do have a "I must make my child a devout christian or else they will burn in hell" attitude unfortunately. As rvg said, just teach em a few things at a young age they'll still want to be like their parents, and at an older age they'll reject it if you push them towards it. That's the problem with religions that have a "hell" of some sort though, parents feel like it is urgent that their child follow the religion instead of letting them go their own way and just teaching them the moral principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No, because every member of the species has to unquestionably (or subconsciously) conform to an instinct. Humans have no instincts. None.
    That's a weird world view. We are, after all, just very clever primates and primates do have instincts.

    The survival instinct. The procreation instinct. The altruist instinct etc, etc. The last one is the instinct that keeps us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom.

    As for the OP, no, not mental abuse. Indoctrination yes, abuse, no. I brought my kids up with no religious perpective. When they both got to majority, it was up to them what they did. What I did teach them was to approach life with an open a mind as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    No, because every member of the species has to unquestionably (or subconsciously) conform to an instinct. Humans have no instincts. None.
    Humans have instincts....the thing is that instincts can be overridden or subdued by environment and upbringing.
    Someone can be trained out of certain instinctual behaviors...we do it to animals all the time so I can´t see how this can be denied.

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    If you have to hide something that you believe is right, then there's clearly some kind of retribution that the society imposes on those who profess the given belief. Otherwise there would be no reason to hide it. Unless the person is really, really, *REALLY* shy.
    almost everyone hides something from society at large...be it a weird sexual fetish or simply the fact that you enjoy a tv show that your friends might find "geeky".......are all these people persecuted???

    if you extend the definition of a word to mean everything....then it doesn´t mean anything.

    and even if I accept your position....if all these people are being persecuted.....then who is the biggest persecutor?? Religion...I´m looking your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Heard of scandinavia?

    To put it mild, if you believe in God here, you are seen as the village idiot.
    You said that your mother believed in God. Is she seen as the village idiot?
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