OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Ignoramus]

Ah, where would we be without the colonists?

[Ituralde]

Regarding Civil War, I would love to see it occur more often OOC, but the route I have taken IC with Pavlos doesn't leave me a lot of choices without completely ruining the character concept I have built in the past! So I like the situation although it puts me in quite a tough spot IC.

[Ignoramus]

Ioannis was always going to snap, in fact it's a remarkable achievement that he kept restrained for so long. He's a no-nonsense emperor, and I'm not one to shy a away from a challenge.

[Rowan]

Thanks for all the feedback on the installer. I didn't actually know if anyone even used it Good to know that people find it useful. For the next game I'm thinking of a feature where you could choose to keep the original mod intact and the installer would handle all of the dirty details under the hood.

In other news, can the deadline changes be announced a little earlier. I had to make my moves for the turn in less than 10 minutes, unable to coordinate with others. Now that there is ample time there are quite a few things I should have done instead.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

In the Civil War thread..

Didn't Ioannis Komnenos declraed war against Michail Arianitis?

[Ituralde]

In other news, can the deadline changes be announced a little earlier. I had to make my moves for the turn in less than 10 minutes, unable to coordinate with others. Now that there is ample time there are quite a few things I should have done instead.

I'm sorry about that. My weekend plans had been a bit flexible so it was something of a last minute decision. I try to keep this in mind though the next time I do it. Just learning along here.

[Rowan]

I'm sorry about that. My weekend plans had been a bit flexible so it was something of a last minute decision. I try to keep this in mind though the next time I do it. Just learning along here.

No problem

[TinCow]

In the Civil War thread..

Didn't Ioannis Komnenos declraed war against Michail Arianitis?

Not as far as I'm concerned. To make sure there are no errors (just as with oath swearing) it needs to be said pretty clearly (i.e. I declare war on X). Igno specifically declared war on the Order of St. John, but he just called Arianitis a traitor and essentially that anyone who defeated him would be given Durazzo as a reward:

I hereby declare war on the Order of St. John, for completely ignoring my calls to declare their hand.

I also declare Michail Arianitis a traitor for renouncing his oath of allegiance to the Basileus, which he swore in this august body. I also hereby declare Durazzo confiscated to the empire, and anyone who brings this upstart to account shall be granted Durazzo as a reward.

It seems to me that he wants Arianitis defeated, but wants someone else to do it for him. If Igno did indeed intend to declare war on Arianitis, he can just make a quick IC post which will satisfy that requirement.

[pevergreen]

No need, I did it myself.

[AussieGiant]

Urinating on the throne....

PEV, now that's pretty straight forward.

[pevergreen]

I thought so. Michail only really disliked Ioannis and Makedonis so it wasnt a hard choice for him.

I'll say here, I'm not going to go back in the Magnaura with him while this is happening, as I am a traitor etc.

So dont expect responses in that thread.

[AussieGiant]

Fair enough Pev.

[Ituralde]

So my first turn as Megas is done. Once again I would like to ask you to update your SoT posts. It gets confusing when you have to doublecheck the ownership of provinces. Please also include your Prioritization there, as that makes it easier for me to have all information in one place, meaning I don't have to go through several PMs to find the information I'm looking for.

I tried to comply with all the rules, if I made any mistakes don't hesitate to point them out. I'm still familiarizing myself with all the things. It's awesome fun though to finally lead the Empire!

[AussieGiant]

Ituralde,

I'll up date mine tonight.

FYI:

I'm heading to Argentina Tuesday (tomorrow) morning for 5 days. I'll be on US eastern Time until Saturday.

OK, GH, this will put me in the same zone as the two of you. Igno, Ituralde, we will be out of sync for 5 days.

[ULC]

Anyone want to help proof read and edit a story before I post it? I am really tired, but I'd love to get htis done now...before I have to change more parts of it

[Ituralde]

Northnovas I had wages of 10400 at the beginning of the turn.

[TinCow]

Northnovas I had wages of 10400 at the beginning of the turn.

That is the proper number, and since you're the one hitting end turn, that's all that really matters at the moment.

[OverKnight]

I realized that I'm technically at War with Tagaris. Do I just need to declare that I opt out, or do I need to break my oath?

[TinCow]

Individual Senators may unilaterally remove themselves from a Civil War within one turn of the Declaration of War that brought them into it by breaking all Oaths of Loyalty that tie them to any Senator involved in the War and by publicly declaring Neutrality. Neutrality cannot be claimed by a declarer, a target, or any Senator who has been involved in a PvP Battle during that specific Civil War.

You'll have to break your oath to Apionnas Vringas and then make a public IC post saying you are neutral.

[Rowan]

I just got an idea: since many people want to make sure if they managed to install a new version of the mod successfully, the version number should be embedded in the game. I think that appending it to the end of the faction leader trait would be optimal, since one avatar always has it and it is easy to find. Another option that wouldn't be too obvious could be the description of a certain building.

[TinCow]

That's a good idea of the changes are more vague. For the current version, the change is easy to notice. If your wages are in the 10000+ range, it's installed properly. If they're in the 7000+ range, it's not.

[Northnovas]

That's a good idea of the changes are more vague. For the current version, the change is easy to notice. If your wages are in the 10000+ range, it's installed properly. If they're in the 7000+ range, it's not.

I have copied a few times but I am missing something.
I am not the end turn guy but I want to get it right. Will make another attempt. The wages are a easier indicator but I think the leader or building being ID would be a good marker if there are any future add ons that are more subtle.

[TinCow]

Try using the executable that Rowan made. I have a feeling you are probably extracting the files to the wrong location, and the .exe version should avoid that mistake.

[Northnovas]

Problem solved it was a combination of Rowan's file; very slick program and overwriting manually the file. I have the game broken into mods by med manager so I think Rowan's file covered the root file and I manually did the mod. I got increased wages to confirm so its been fixed.

[ULC]

Tooting your own horn there a bit OK ?

[OverKnight]

That's one way to look at it. It's not like I have any other former Emperors to reference in the game.

[ULC]

I'm wondering what people think of my writing. Good? Bad? Twisted, convoluted plot that doesn't make sense and is untrustworthy because not everything I write for my characters is true? Or understandable and easy to read? Enjoyable? Skip it? Too short? Too long?

I wanna know, because of half the enjoyment is writing it, the other half is knowing that someone else liked it.

[Smowz]

YLC, I certainly enjoyed it. You have given Nikilaos an interesting depth, he is clearly has been part of some complicated and twisted plot lines (including the latest war for the princess). The poor fellow seems destined to be caught in knots his entire life.

On an OOC note, I will be away from the next few days. I will be returning saturday afternoon/eve.

[TinCow]

Please be aware that in order to declare neutrality in a Civil War, you must break your oath to ALL other Senators involved in the Civil War:

Individual Senators may unilaterally remove themselves from a Civil War within one turn of the Declaration of War that brought them into it by breaking all Oaths of Loyalty that tie them to any Senator involved in the War and by publicly declaring Neutrality. Neutrality cannot be claimed by a declarer, a target, or any Senator who has been involved in a PvP Battle during that specific Civil War.

This includes vassals. Thus, Northnovas has not yet properly removed himself from the Civil War. If you have a vassal in a Civil War and want to leave it, you must either break your oath to the vassal or have the vassal get out of the Civil War as well (via neutrality or Peace Treaty).

All of this political maneauvering on the declarations of war (which we have never experienced before) has made me realize that this system is a little bit cumbersome. I think we can streamline it a bit by falling back on our feudal system. At the next Senate session I will propose a Rule Change that will make declarations of neutrality and Peace Treaties signed by any Senator also apply to everyone below them in their vassal chain. This will make the process a bit simpler, and it doesn't really prejudice anyone because any vassal removed from a Civil War in this manner can just declare war again to get back into it if they really want to.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm hereby resigning from LotR. Ever since the Klimis character was spawned, I've tried to make things work, but it just didn't happen. There were numerous attempts at immersing myself in the game (alliances, Megas election, new House), but none of them worked. I realized that even after a potentially juicy civil war situation when I wasn't motivated enough to move my character around for 5 minutes every 2 days or so and make an SoT post that this just wasn't going to work.

I'd like to apologize to the people that invested time in the game with me, notable OK, AG, and deguerra for making a brilliant coat of arms that will, sadly, never be used.

I'll still be around, voting in an OOC role and umpiring any potential PvP battles that come up, but for now, I just can't be bothered to take a character and go with it. Maybe sometime farther down the line. Have a good game, guys.