[EB] How to make Western barbarian factions more balanced against Hellenic and East

[VikingPower]

If this stat thing is a problem then we should skip it and rather keep mostly to that of adding some 3-4 mercs to the underrated factions

If there is going to be some changes to the unit roster with the Barbarian factions then we should mostly keep to the formula in making them formidable against the Hellenic and Eastern factions, where the ranged units are probably the most important while we should avoid changing the melee and cav units. But some underrated factions could be like a hybrid of two others and have some limited mercs. For an example then Koinion Hellenon and Macedon are the pure Hellenic factions, but Epirus could have more Gallic units as a hybrid while Egypt could have skirmishing units from the east or west.

[vartan]

I always felt that some factions need a little tweak. But never in stats , but in availability.

Exactly what I said =)

But doesn't that defeat the purpose of EB? This mod is about historical accuracy. Other mods are about balance.

Agreed. During the northern hemisphere school year we probably have less players than the number of fingers on one hand, so there would go the MP community.

If this stat thing is a problem then we should skip it and rather keep mostly to that of adding some 3-4 mercs to the underrated factions

It's all about placing the right people on the right rosters. Maybe roster availability thoughts should be spit and see where they land amongst the community. Hopefully you'll catch a few responses.

[Burebista]

It's all about placing the right people on the right rosters. Maybe roster availability thoughts should be spit and see where they land amongst the community. Hopefully you'll catch a few responses.

Sauromatae have no medium/light MELEE ONLY cavalry > so after choosing heavy cav (all HA) , you pick up a few medium cav HA and your archer limit prohibits you from getting any more cavalry (they are all HA )
Saka --seems ok to me , i've played it and it's balanced. I mean , i took on ACS toe to toe while i was noobish with saka and i've lost by the skin of my teeth.
Egypt --good roster , but a little inferior to other Diadochi. That is why it it not picked. maybe adding some mercs to the roster might add some interest there.
Getai -- dont have access to scythian units , even as mercs , although they have a fomeland with those units and they are pretty much the only neighbour of scythians.
Sweboz --moar trees:)
gauls ---Cheaper or bigger unit sizes...but if that is not available...dunno...some iberic?

[VikingPower]

I will make a new thread on the EB 2 forum what changed could be made in the MP unit roster, based on this recent discussion.

[vartan]

Sauromatae have no medium/light MELEE ONLY cavalry > so after choosing heavy cav (all HA) , you pick up a few medium cav HA and your archer limit prohibits you from getting any more cavalry (they are all HA )
Saka --seems ok to me , i've played it and it's balanced. I mean , i took on ACS toe to toe while i was noobish with saka and i've lost by the skin of my teeth.
Egypt --good roster , but a little inferior to other Diadochi. That is why it it not picked. maybe adding some mercs to the roster might add some interest there.
Getai -- dont have access to scythian units , even as mercs , although they have a fomeland with those units and they are pretty much the only neighbour of scythians.
Sweboz --moar trees:)
gauls ---Cheaper or bigger unit sizes...but if that is not available...dunno...some iberic?

--So what do you propose for Sauro in terms of specific unit additions to roster?
--ditto Egypt
--ditto Getai
--Roster changes won't repair trees for Sweboz. That's called 'choice of map', and everyone has that choice.
--Gauls - say what? o_O what are the max unit sizes anyway? and after which point would this imbalance the scale? (i.e. crackling-sauron-zerg phenomenon) and Iberic what?

I will make a new thread on the EB 2 forum what changed could be made in the MP unit roster, based on this recent discussion.

It doesn't really matter what ends up on the MP faction rosters because that's in the hands of the community anyway. Look at the 'units' lists for factional pages on EB site. It's what we use currently to list 'factional units' for most EB factions in both MP rosters as well as the wiki. In most cases the units match geographically with those factions, but in some cases there are mercs and non-factionals that end up on the lists. It's just an annoying nuance to deal with (I don't think we've bothered much yet in such a primitive stage of both the tiny EB MP community as well as the meager wiki).

[antisocialmunky]

Give barbs fire arrows so we can do the massive frontal assaults again :D

[vartan]

Give barbs fire arrows so we can do the massive frontal assaults again :D

Are you serious? I thought the only archers y'all had were Sotaroas.