The Palestine Papers

[Idaho]

What Israel seems to want to is to squeeze the occupied territories constantly and completely. To break up, sabotage and destroy political infrastructure, and to compromise and cripple civil society. Their end aim seems to be for the Palestinians to leave, and Isreal create a greater state. And so far, they seem to be on track.

[gaelic cowboy]

Such a laugh from the amount of coverage on Sky this morning you would think Andy Grays comments on women refs were the big story.

[Furunculus]

Their end aim seems to be for the Palestinians to leave, and Isreal create a greater state. And so far, they seem to be on track.

they're obviously failing massively if you look at the growth rate in the west bank, and particularly so the gaza strip:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...ies#Population

[rory_20_uk]

More people, but year on year in less land.

[gaelic cowboy]

More people, but year on year in less land.

Which leads to violence which leads to Israel being able to point and say "Look tewworwists" which leads to even more marginalisation

[Fragony]

Which leads to violence which leads to Israel being able to point and say "Look tewworwists" which leads to even more marginalisation

Terrorists are real they exist, Israel shouldn't have to negotiate in the first place for these territories the arabs attacked and they lost. Perfectly normal, that. But they sure could be a bit more constructive in finding a longterm solution, looks like Fatah looks a little further ahead.

[gaelic cowboy]

Terrorists are real they exist, Israel shouldn't have to negotiate in the first place for these territories the arabs attacked and they lost. Perfectly normal, that. But they sure could be a bit more constructive in finding a longterm solution, looks like Fatah looks a little further ahead.

Terrorists are real and they do have to talk with them who else are they gonna talk with??????.

Neither side can win but Israel can lose.

[HoreTore]

Terrorists are real and they do have to talk with them who else are they gonna talk with??????.

Neither side can win but Israel can lose.

Indeed. You can't make peace by talking to your friends, only with your enemies. The only way to get a lasting peace is for the hard-liners in Israel to agree with the hard-liners in Palestine, otherwise those two groups will do their utmost to sabotage any solutions put forth by more moderate Israelis/Palestinians.

That means the Jewish settlers need to have a chat with Hamas. It sounds impossible, but hey, if you blank out where it says Jew or Arab in their propaganda, it's basically the same thing.

[Beirut]

Terrorists are real they exist, Israel shouldn't have to negotiate in the first place for these territories the arabs attacked and they lost. Perfectly normal, that. But they sure could be a bit more constructive in finding a longterm solution, looks like Fatah looks a little further ahead.

Actualy, in the first place, the territories in question were stolen by the Zionists.

But in the here and now, there is no question the Israelis see great merit in keeping the Palestinians under the Isreali boot. A negotiated peace in the last thing Isreal wants because it would close the door on future expansion. Ongoing hostilities would "justify" future Isreali attacks and annexation of territories. The Israelis would be able to continue to play the "moral card" they play so well.

Keeping the Palestinians from appearing human is Israel's goal. As long as the Palestinians look like wounded animals, they don't have to be treated as human. They can be treated as... less than human. Not quite equal to the rest of us. The world has always had disposable people. Once it was the blacks, then it was the Jews; now it's the Palestinians.

[Louis VI the Fat]

The gift that keeps on giving...


Palestinian negotiators agreed only 10,000 Palestinians could return
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-return-israel

The PLO agreed Israel could be a 'Jewish state'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...h-state-papers

Condoleezza Rice suggested Palestinian refugees moved to Latin America. Personally I wonder why Condy Rice proposed Chile or Argentina instead of good old Madagaskar...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-south-america

[Idaho]

More people, but year on year in less land.

Effectively 4 micro-states that are cut off from each other, with settlements constantly eating away at them.