Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Athenai

[The_Blacksmith]

"I AGREE with any motion of being defensive, since the Allied and Spartan army is likely going to Pella... we need the Athenian army if they are to pull of another incident like in Thessaly..."

"And i regret my outragerous and uncivilized manners in the Council"

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

"Allow me to PROPOSE that the Tyrannos PROPOSAL is to be withdrawn and the choice of government on Kydonia be either a Free Allied Kingdom, or a Demokratic Kleroucheia. I DISAGREE with the proposal to establish a Tyrranos-governement at Krete.

The Tyrannos in Demetrias was not that very popular now was he? His reign was contested by rebels within a matter of months; So how can we say that supporting a Tyrannos best represent the wishes of the people? For that reason I implore you to let it be decided between a Free Allied Kingdom or a Democratic Kleroucheia at Krete. Thank you"

Arthouros then briefly turned to the matter of future military endeavours:

"As we are not commanding the Koinon army, we cannot allow ourselves to be involved in the Lesbos - Pergamon conflict as of yet.
Furthermore I PROPOSE that the Athenian forces be retrained to the full extent possible in Krete, and after returning from Krete, stays in Attike, possibly retraining the Ekdromoi Hoplitai in Athenai. We might and should of course support the Alliance army, but as of now I find the Spartatai proposals to be rather rash and on the brink of foolish, - no insult intended. To attack either Thermon or Pella now would be a waste of Hêllenic life, as we would then possibly be ripe for the picking by the Eperioitai Basileus, and because of that, I as before believe we should restrain ourselves for the time being in regards of military matters, focus on economic matters instead. In other words I AGREE to the proposals brought forth by Glaucos."


And with that Arthouros was seated.

[Paltmull]

Also, I decline to run for party leader once more, I'm sure Paltmull could do a great job should he choose to accept this position (ooc: due to real life, I won't be able to commit as much time to this aar as it deserves.)

I'm honored by your recommendation, but I am afraid that I too lack the time needed as I, due to an upcoming philosophy exam (yeah, IRL too ^___^), have quite a lot of studies to attend to at the moment . We will just have to hope that someone else steps up.

I AGREE with the proposals to focus more on our economy than our military. Having lost the Strategos office, we will not be able to do much anyway. However, we should keep a close eye at the events in Asia Minor. I PROPOSE that, if the Macedonian garrison at Lesbos would (for example through wars with Pergamon) be weakened enough that we could capture it with little effort, we should take the opportunity and strike immideately. Otherwise, we should let it be for now.

[Drag0nUL]

You can remove me of the party list (if you want). Simply put this AAR is amazing, but it moves too fast for my current free time. The enthusiasm is so big that everytime I get to this thread there's always at least a couple of pages to read through before I could post, and that's a bit too much for my free time atm. Would try to contribute from time to time (when I can), but it won't be nearly as regular as other ppl in this thread. You can remove me of the party list if you want.

[Molinaargh]

You can remove me of the party list (if you want). Simply put this AAR is amazing, but it moves too fast for my current free time. The enthusiasm is so big that everytime I get to this thread there's always at least a couple of pages to read through before I could post, and that's a bit too much for my free time atm. Would try to contribute from time to time (when I can), but it won't be nearly as regular as other ppl in this thread. You can remove me of the party list if you want.

But I don't want to remove you!

There's a lot of you getting busy as this year kicks off, I see. But I hope you can still keep posting every now and then, and good luck guys!

[Drag0nUL]

But I don't want to remove you!

Thank you:)

There's a lot of you getting busy as this year kicks off, I see. But I hope you can still keep posting every now and then, and good luck guys!

I like this AAR a lot, so I'll keep following it and post when I can.

[jirisys]

I PROPOSE we build walls as our primary building in Demetrias, so more makedonians die at our gates, and greeks stay safe inside.

Leumenes, busy with the affairs of life, now 26. He was a scholar administrator in the Akademia, a Somatophylakes of Chremonides, and almost a husband and father. He had little time in the Boule, yet, he knew his situation would change quickly. He stood up, with his breard hanging stadia from his chin.

"My men, we have won a very costly victory, the men lost were too numerous, we lost a fleet to pirates. Yet our trade increases. I am glad to see the koinon working together. I would like to PROPOSE we build a regional Tyrannos in Kretai, as their governor was one, and bringing democracy may cause unrest. Even more because we killed many of their citiziens. Let us leave them to the Tyrannos, as we would not be able to manage it because of it's distance, and a Tyrannos would stop piracy in the area due to it's power to legislate and dictate orders. A democracy on an island far from mainland would be useless, as they would act without support from the other polis. WITHDRAWN I AGREE with Arthouros Second proposal."

He sat down, having to leave the Boule, for a short time.

~Jirisys ()

Leumenes went back to the assembly, and a slave handed him the transcripts.

I AGREE.

If Doros is to go through that Spartan agoge, we'd better recruit ships and get him there ASAP. When i suggested that he'd go to Sparta in the end of his 19th year, I had no idea that he would be sent off to Krete.

And since Mytilene is likely to declare it's independence if Pella falls, I also PROPOSE that the next city we conquer is Pella, and not Mytilene.

I DISAGREE with this proposal, as, it would leave us, not the makedonians, between two fronts, the Epirots and the Getae, which may change their alliegances when they want to ripe our lands, therefore; I PROPOSE we invade Lesbos with the athenian army and release our allied Basileo ton Pergamou from the Makedonian irritation. WITHDRAWN

I also would like to PROPOSE that there be a Boule of the Prytaneis every year, alternating between Sparte and Athenai each year, so that we may both propose measures so we may cooperate (such as, say, asking the spartans to siege Thermon while we buy time and defeat the small armies of Epeiros (this is JUST AN EXAMPLE)).WITHDRAWN

Leumenes was eager to wonder who was going to be the next Ephor.

~Jirisys ()

Leuemenes stood up, reminding the Boule not to forget his proposals. As it seems his are the only ones not being adressed. Which makes him irritated to have wasted his energy and thought for nothing.

Kaleros steps calm into the Council, smelling since he came from the Gymnasia

"My friends! i hear words of the Makedonians marching towards the Byzanz! even though our efford they still have strong men in the field, the Epirotes had taken land from the Barbaroi north of Pella this creates a lock of the Makedonian and Epirote troops where the Makedonians cant be to offensive and at the same time are a buffer to the Epirotes, with the Thessalian hills fortified and under Koinon regin, I PROPOSE that we should let thiese imposer greeks east eachother up (motion: dont TAKE Pella) I AGREE with Arthouros motion of building a strong navy to escort the conquers of Krete home, and of the making of Kretan democratic Kleroucheia...

As for the offices of Koinon, i am not to interfere...

I PROPOSE that Damasos is to be the Govenor of Rhodes, we need to organize all the trade from our most of illustrious habour to profit from them

I AGREE with your first proposal, as it's almost the same with mine, without the Lesbos invasion though. The second one is not up to us.

OOC

As Damasos is under the command of the Sparte/TWC I don't think we can make proposals for what he should do.

For that same reason my dear partisan.

Leumenes sat down, hoping they would not see his proposals for granted.

~Jirisys ()

Arthouros spoke briefly on the matters many councillors had forgotten, those brought forth by one of the most prominent members of the assembly, and urged the councillors to turn their attention to these matters:

"Leumenes, on the matter of building walls as our primary building upon liberating Thermon, I AGREE . Furthermore regarding the Boule of the Prytaneis every year that you proposed, alternating between Sparte and Athenai each year, discussing matters of cooperation, I also AGREE"PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

Arthouros turned his attention to another proposal by an other councillor he had neglected to address:

"Kaleros, I too hold the view that we should let the Makedones and Epiriotai struggle between each other, therefore I AGREE that we should NOT launch an assault at Pella"

Arthouros then remembered another matter of not quite the same importance.

He pulled out a parchment and read a short passage of it:

"Spartan Orders -Population of Pella to be expelled if conquered."

"Let it be said that when Pella is conquered, I PROPOSE we simply occupy the city. How can we win over the Makedonian people and convince them that we provide a better alternative than Antigonos when we treat them no better then their ruler have treated us? We should welcome them after our troops have been welcomed *cough, conquered them* as brothers, and it is my firm belief that this is not the best way to start off such a political relationship. Of course one could argue that we do not need to "win them over", but surely we honourable Hêllenes should prove our higher moral standards to those we vanquish, if we do not, then what separates us from simple Barbaroi?"

And with that Arthouros left the ekklesia, leaving for his humble house, and went to bed.

I AGREE with this proposal.

Kaleros spoke "Leuemenes, im sorry i havent commented on your wise motions, now let me take a look"

Ohh Leuemenes NOW i AGREE with you, building solid stonewalls in DEMETRIAS!

I DISAGREE on the support of tyranny... PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

I DISAGREE on your motion of attacking Lesbos, the athenian army is too small[/S]PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

I AGREE on you motion to have more "updates"[/S]PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED

Im sorry Leuemenes, i just dont see the logic in thiese motions... most of them... BUT, friend... i support your position as Epistates

Arthouros spoke:

"I support Leumenes both as party leader of Hellas and as Epistates, furthermore as his proposal was to build walls in Demetrias and not Thermon I AGREE on that matter."

Arthouros then went back to sleep.

"I will keep this short and to the point. I DISAGREE with the proposal that a democratic Kleroucheia be established in Kretai, for the reasons put forth by Leumenes. It follows, then, that I AGREE with Leumenes' proposal to put in place a Tyrannos there.PROPOSAL WITHDRAWED (Sorry Demosthenes)

I do AGREE with Arthourus that a new fleet, preferably of trireme, be raised.

I vehemently DISAGREE with the proposal that we attack Pella. This war with Macedonia was not sought by us. Are we to transit from one bloody war of attrition to another without pause. Taking Pella will put us, almost inevitably, on a war footing with Epiros, as well as in line of sight of the barbarian Getai tribes. Let the Macedonians at Pella bear the brunt of that aggression, and we can pick up the pieces when we are ready. Our fortifications and garrisons in Thessaly are sufficient to hold the Macedons in check. Let us hold them there, as a sponge, to soak up the urge for war within the barbarian hearts of the Epirotes and the Getai.

I PROPOSE that we be prepared to take Mytilene and then Pergamon from the Macedonians when, and it is a matter of time, they take Pergamon. They will leave a weakened garrison in Mytilene, and their exertions in taking Pergamon will weaken their main force.

We have experience, with Demetrias and in Kretai, of how costly taking a garrisoned town can be. Let others pay that price, let us take the rewards.

Also, we need the income from the trade that Mytilene and Pergamon will bring us. And it will weaken the Macedonian position further. Hold them in Pella.

For the same reasons I believe we should, in whatever way we can, implore the Spartan council to desist from any hostile moves toward Thermon, for now."

I AGREE with your two proposals partly, since I would not like to see Pergamon sacked by Makedonia. However I would surely think that we should be prepared to take both, if we couldn't arrive in time.

I AGREE with Glaucos. Furthermore, I would go so far as to PROPOSE that we don't attack any cities for a few years, and hold a very defensive position, making Demetrias a strong outpost with relatively large garrisons in Demetrias and in both forts. I also AGREE with Glaucos on the offensive matter, the only offensive action we should take should be to reinfore the Alliance army, if necessary.

I AGREE with your proposal.

"I AGREE with any motion of being defensive, since the Allied and Spartan army is likely going to Pella... we need the Athenian army if they are to pull of another incident like in Thessaly..."

"And i regret my outragerous and uncivilized manners in the Council"

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Your outrageous and uncivilized manner paled in comparison to the love Molinaargh gave to me yesterday

Leumenes noticed that his wisdom was declining too much, everybody seemed not to support him.

~Jirisys (not role-playing )

[The_Blacksmith]

Kaleros rose fast as Leumenes sat down and took Leumenes by the arm "are you leaving my friend?" "better times will come, you know?"

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros:

We make Krete a democratic Kleroucheia.

Status:AGREE Kaleros, DISAGREE Demosthenes


We raise a new fleet preferably a fleet of Trireme


Status: 4 AGREE (Leumenes, Paltmull, Glaucos, Demosthenes)


"Allow me to PROPOSE that the Tyrannos PROPOSAL is to be withdrawn and the choice of government on Kydonia be either a Free Allied Kingdom, or a Demokratic Kleroucheia.”

Result: Tyrannos PROPOSAL withdrawn by Leumenes.


“Let it be said that when Pella is conquered, I PROPOSE we simply occupy the city”


Status: AGREE Leumenes



Paltmull

The next city we conquer is Pella

Status: 4 DISAGREE (Demosthenes, Leumenes, Kaleros, Arthouros)


Glaucos

We focus on our economy

Status: 3 AGREE Kairos, Arthouros, Paltmull


”I propose that the Athenian army takes a defensive stand for now, and gets ready to aid the alliance army if the need arises.”/Athenian army to take defensive stance.

Status: 3 AGREE Kairos, Kaleros, Arthouros




Demosthenes


When the time is right, take Mytilene, possibly when the Makedones have taken Pergamon and have a weak garrison at Mytilene.


Status:AGREE (partially) Leumenes, Paltmull (ditt förslag var ungefär samma, tror jag, säg till ifall jag hade fel)


Implore the Spartatai to desist from any hostile moves toward Thermon for now

Status: (Partially) AGREE Leumenes,




Kairos

We do not attack any cities for a few years and make Demetrias a strong outpost, with large relatively large garrisons in Demetrias and in both forts.”

Status:AGREE Leumenes



Leumenes

Build stone walls in Demetrias


Status: AGREE Arthouros, Kaleros

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros stood up and spoke:

"Yes indeed, do not doubt your wisdom Leumenes, your advice is highly respected."

Arthouros sat down hoping that his words would reassure his philos Leumenes of his political worth.

[Paltmull]

Status:AGREE (partially) Leumenes, Paltmull (ditt förslag var ungefär samma, tror jag, säg till ifall jag hade fel)

Jo, det var det. Hade missat att förslaget redan fanns.

Paltmull

The next city we conquer is Pella


Status: 5 DISAGREE (Demosthenes, Leumenes, Kaleros, Arthouros)

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Matte har nog aldrig varit min starka sida...


Uhm förresten, vad tycker du Kreta ska ha för styrelseskick (säg gärna Demokratisk Kleroucheia )?

~Arthur

[Molinaargh]

Oh thanks a lot Arthur!

There's some more time left in the session, but I guess not much will change by now.

If you guys can talk in english that would be great, I'm sure everyone wants to read what you're saying.

I've made some fan art for the AAR. I'm an aspiring concept artist so usually when I'm not working on this AAR, I'm drawing.



I wanted to draw the council but ended up drawing only a councilor. Inspired by The Death of Sokrates by Jacques-Louis David.

I'm gonna try doing some in greek art style next.

[Paltmull]

Matte har nog aldrig varit min starka sida...


Uhm förresten, vad tycker du Kreta ska ha för styrelseskick (säg gärna Demokratisk Kleroucheia )?

~Arthur

Oj, haha! Det var inte ens det jag menade. Var mer sur över att så många sa emot mig. :P Kreta förhåller jag mig neutral till. Kom inte och försök få förmåner bara för att vi är landsmän va! ;)

EDIT: Just saw Molinaarghs post. We'll speak English from now on :)

Oh, and that's a beautiful drawing!

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Oh thanks a lot Arthur!

There's some more time left in the session, but I guess not much will change by now.

Glad I could be of assistance!

If you guys can talk in english that would be great, I'm sure everyone wants to read what you're saying.

Oh sorry, I sometimes get carried away, it just feels strange to communicate using one's second language with a countryman, no worries though we'll speak English from now on.

What we talked about (nothing overtly important really):

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ditt förslag var ungefär samma, tror jag, säg till ifall jag hade fel = your proposal was about the same, I think, please correct me if I'm wrong

Jo, det var det. Hade missat att förslaget redan fanns. = Yeah, it was. Forgot that proposal already existed.

Matte har nog aldrig varit min starka sida... = Maths is not really my strong suit it seems...


Uhm förresten, vad tycker du Kreta ska ha för styrelseskick (säg gärna Demokratisk Kleroucheia) = Uhm, btw, what government do you think Krete should have (please say Demokratic Kleroucheia)?

I've made some fan art for the AAR. I'm an aspiring concept artist so usually when I'm not working on this AAR, I'm drawing.



I wanted to draw the council but ended up drawing only a councilor. Inspired by The Death of Sokrates by Jacques-Louis David.

I'm gonna try doing some in greek art style next.

Amazing artwork.


Edit: Oh and here: have a balloon for this wonderful AAR.

~Arthouros

[Molinaargh]

This session is over, expect an update soon.

[Enyalio]

Enyalio who followed to debates with interest, but was content he had the opportunity to aid his oice to the council before his clerks called away again to attend his affairs.

"My friends and fellow-councilors!

We have been amiss! Our vanity knows no boundaries. Our victories against the Macedonians are taken for granted. Where is our gratitude? Where is our devotion?
Has an offering been made to Pallas Athena, our goddes and protector? Have we presented our spoils in het temple?
A wise man cannot predict the Gods, but knows he must prepare to wheter their moods. Let us bring thanks and build up a temple to honor the gods and thank them for our victories. Ares and Athena above all.

I PROPOSE we build up a temple in Athenai or Chalkis.

I am rejoiced to see that my initial proposals to make Demetrias our outpost against Macedon were not in vain, I AGREE completely with the proposals of Kairos and Leumenes to build walls in Demetrias and make it stronger. Lest we want to become the usurpers the Macedonians have shown themselves to be, we must leave them to their own designs. Our goal, the goal of the Koinon Hellenon is not the rule uncivilised barbarians, but to unite our fellow Greeks, free them from opression and be a beacon of light.

Fellow councilors, are we not the center of the world? What barbarian nation has produced such excellent men well versed in rethoric, as shown so often in this council, in philosophy and mathematics. Who else than us Greeks and above all Athenians truly understand the nature of this world?

But our beacon of light does not shine everywhere in this world. From the pillars of Heracles to the mountains of the Hindu Kush our forefathers have travelled, founding great cities, build magnifecent temples,...and they let our coffers to be filled with exotic goods and gold.

I AGREE we must build up our economy. Apollo would look kindly and favourably at such an endeavour. But to do so, we must use all means we Greeks have. Let us re-establish our old trade relations with our daughter poleis. What happened dear friends with the great city of Syracuse? Or our brothers at Masalia and Emporion? Or Chersonesos and Pantikapaion?

For the future I PROPOSE our diplomats and spies must travel to these cities and see if our old relations can be restored.

Thank you and may the gods smil upon our decisions"

Enyalio stepped down and rushed of to his mansion.

[Molinaargh]

513 (263 BC)
The year when everything went as unexpected

Athenian orders:
-Fleet of Trireme to be rebuilt in order to rescue Doros from Kretai. (Yes)
-Focus on our economy. (Yes)
-Athenian Army to take a deffensive stance. (Yes)
-Take Mytilene if the Makedons take Pergamon and the island is weak.
-Reinforce Demetrias. (Yes)

Spartan orders:
-Areus's tribunes to be transferred to Akrotatos. (Couldn't be done)
-Army of the Koinon and Army of Sparta to attack Pella together. (Couldn't be done)
-Thermon is the next target after Pella. (Not yet)
-Pella and Thermon to be brought under Spartan influence. (Not yet)


A letter from Doros Aithalidos Attikos:

This is the story of how I became the most important man in Hellas at the age of 19.


They wrote me saying the fleet would be rebuilt and would arrive in an a few months to take me back to Athenai. I didn't mind staying in Kydonia, Kretai is a beautiful island. I had been named Polemarchos in the last elections, a largely insignificant position in the Koinon. I was happy about it, but didn't think I deserved it. I didn't know then that even more was to come.


In Kydonia we were establishing a new and democratic government, much like the one in Athenai.


But then they wrote me again, shortly after. I thought it would have been a problem with the ships, a delay. But on the contrary, they were going to come even faster. The reason for this?



The Strategos of the Koinon, elected only last year, had died. Since I was the Polemarchos, law stated that I'd become the new Strategos for the remaining time. I couldn't believe it.




The Fleet of Athenai arrived only a few weeks after the announcement, and I was taken back with my -- the Athenian Army. My army now was the Alliance Army, a far more powerful force.





When I arrived in Athenai, the first thing I noticed, right at the docks, was the improvement of the mercantile ports. I was recieved with a great celebration, first for my victory in Kretai, second because I was now Strategos of the Koinon.


In Athenai I met Eugenios Rhodios, who had come to to the Academy to study. Most irreverent man. Completely against any sort of war, but extremely smart otherwise. As for me, war was now my job.


He said he'd become the governor of Rhodes, like his father, Agathokles, who was also an ally of Athenai.





I also met Akrotatos, the Spartan and Hegemon of the Koinon. He said we could do great things if Sparte and Athenai work together, and I agree. Even though he was a Spartan - and with the death of his father he was a Spartan King - he had been responsible for many of the public buildings in the polis for the last few years.





He gave me the reports on the situation in the borders. The Epeirote continued to advance in the north of Pella, and in Anatolia...


...the Makedons desperately tried to conquer Pergamon, time after time again.


And time after time they failed. The knowledge we had now was that they had lost most of their army in their last attempt of taking the polis.


Just to the north, in Demetrias, the walls were being improved. He said this would've been a useless endeavor if Areus hadn't died, since the plans of his Spartan advisors were to march and take the Makedon capital. Because of his death, these walls proved to be very useful, even though the Makedons haven't attacked in years. That is because the Alliance Army was currently garrisoned in Demetrias waiting for my arrival, and couldn't campaign before I was present. It was the law, he said.


He told me the Spartans were also building a port to themselves in order to have money to field a stronger Spartan Army. They would need one, since they had lost control of the Alliance Army, which was now under the command of Athens through me.


Our financial situation was good, with plenty of gold in our coffers to spend as wisely as possible.


I left Athenai to meet with the Alliance Army still in the winter, as such had to happen as quickly as possible. I am now the most important of all hellenes. All eyes are on my failures or successes, and the independence of the hellenic poleis now depends on my military abilities. To be honest, I don't think this will go well.




The Athenian Council session is now open to discuss what must be done next year. Enyalio's proposals should be considered in said session.

[Rahl]

This AAR is very interesting and I read most of the posts and decided to join. Though english isn't my main language but I hope it will be good enough.
If one of you guys would be so nice and give me a greek version of my forum name for the AAR? That would be great.

But for now let me indroduce me with the name like it is:
"Rahl was still a young man but experienced and since 3 months also one of the powerful men of Athenai. He was the son of a trader but joined the army of the Koinon short time after the Alliance was created. He had fought alongside Chremonides, Areus and Doros and rose to a high position in the Athenian army because of his great tactical and strategic talents, though he lacked the leading abilities to become the leader of an army himself.
With the 2nd election of the Spartan Areus as Strategos, Rahl knew that he had no chances to rise to a higher position in the army. The Spartans would never except an Athenian as strategical adviser in the Alliance army, at least not a young and unkown one.
Then, 3 months ago the messenge of the death of his father reached him. Since he had no brother he was the only one who could took over the business of his father. He decided to leave the army and go back to Athenai.
With the business of his father he also took over his place in the Boule.
He had seen a lot of poleis in his time as soldier. He had seen war and it's cruelty, like the slaughtering of the population of Demetrias. He knew the extreme ways were not his. He believed in the necessity of the Koinon Hellenon but he knew the great spartan influence in the Alliance could turn out bad for Athenai.
He joined the party of the Moderates since balance was the only thing that would bring security to his people in the long run."

EDIT (read the news after I made my first post):
"Rahl had come back from Krete to Athenai short after the conquest of Kydonia. Like the other members he was surprised of the news. The last general he served had become Strategos of the Koinon. That was destiny.
Rahl really wanted to join the Army again, march with the intelligent leader he had happily served once. But it was too late, he had other commitments. Though in his new position he could still help Doros a lot.

I PROPOSE that we attack Mytilene now with the Alliance army
and I PROPOSE that we establish a democratic Klerouchoi there.
I PROPOSE that we use the athenian army for the defence against Macedonia.
After we captured Lesbos I PROPOSE that we force Macedonia into a peace treaty and to pay tribute to us. They must fear our superior forces but Macedonia is still a strong nation and they have a lot men that can serve in the army and it's unrealistic to believe that we can control them now. (you should use Force Diplomacy this time)
I PROPOSE that we forbid any action against Aitolia. They are our allies.
To make up for this I PROPOSE that the Sparta can appoint a new Polemarchos and use our fleet if they want to attack another enemy. They're warriors and we should not forbid them to fight.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros spoke:

"Fellow members of the assembly, philoi, Athenoi and Hellênes. This turn of events is both unfortunate and fortunate; unfortune as we have lost our philos Areus, and fortunate as it allows us to dictate the military actions of the Koinon the next four years.

As the Makedonike forces at Lesbos are now severely weakened, I PROPOSE that we at once launch an assault at Mytilene with the alliance army and reinforce it with troops from our Athenian army and ask of the Spartatai to do the same. If we move quickly enough, we be able to have the Alliance army back at Demetrias before the Makedones have breached through both the fortifications and the city walls of Demetrias. And even if they actually would attack us then they would need to use their whole army to achieve victory, and doing so would leave them vulnerable for Eperiotai or Getai military strikes at Pella. Thus I believe that the Makedones will not move their army away from Pella, and that this proposed strike carries little risk of failure. Also I PROPOSE that our Spy stationed outside Pergamon to try and infiltrate Mytilene, could save us even more time, if he mange to open the gate."

Arthouros was seated, and hoped that the rest of the assembly would not let this opportunity pass, even though it carried a small risk.

[jirisys]

Arthouros spoke:

"Fellow members of the assembly, philoi, Athenoi and Hellênes. This turn of events is both unfortunate and fortunate; unfortune as we have lost our philos Areus, and fortunate as it allows us to dictate the military actions of the Koinon the next four years.

As the Makedonike forces at Lesbos are now severely weakened, I PROPOSE that we at once launch an assault at Mytilene with the alliance army and reinforce it with troops from our Athenian army and ask of the Spartatai to do the same. If we move quickly enough, we be able to have the Alliance army back at Demetrias before the Makedones have breached through both the fortifications and the city walls of Demetrias. And even if they actually would attack us then they would need to use their whole army to achieve victory, and doing so would leave them vulnerable for Eperiotai or Getai military strikes at Pella. Thus I believe that the Makedones will not move their army away from Pella, and that this proposed strike carries little risk of failure. Also I PROPOSE that our Spy stationed outside Pergamon to try and infiltrate Mytilene, could save us even more time, if he mange to open the gate."

Arthouros was seated, and hoped that the rest of the assembly would not let this opportunity pass, even though it carried a small risk.

Arthouros rose again after some time and added:

"Upon the liberation I PROPOSE we establish a Free Allied Kingdom * and that we make sure that the settlement remains neutral in inter-Koine politics, as the Spartatai may become worried that we seize to much influence within the Koinon."

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*Type IV Government

Leuemenes arose, now with more free time, and a Fiancee, at age 27, he saw prosperity in the Koinon, and he also was a Scholarchos of the Platonean Akademia of Skepticismos, truly, these were times for rejoicing.

"My fellow men, I have seen the farmers bring forth many great gift to their levied brothers, and they too gave them their support in their farm, the makedonian sailors once from Demetrias, now mooring their trade ships with the help of spartan Helots, the once great warriors that stood in Korinthos, now farmers in Athenai, while they may not like their slavery, they are brought upon many a joy with the fruits that they are given after those great harvests, which they share to the levied men. I am saddened to hear that Areus died, for he was a brave man, and a devilish butcher in battles. I see those levies wanting to return home, to their loved ones, yet, for Pergamon to receive help, we need to ask them one last fight, before professional armies be recruited. I AGREE with both of Enyalio's proposal. Also I too AGREE with Athourus second proposal but, PARTIALLY AGREE with his first one, If we would like more neutrality in alliegances, we must ask the spartans to help the allied army, I agree with that; however I'd PROPOSE garrisoning the Athenian army inside the walls of Demetrias, so they buy more time for the siege, as they could relieve it easily if the makedonians are to recklessly attack it, giving the Allied and Spartan army more time for the siege and the travel. Let us not forget of Sinope, as we promised them long ago their freedom; we should not let them dissapointed.

I also PROPOSE we keep upgrading our infrastructure in all of the cities in our control. And I also PROPOSE we must not levy more men, we need a professional army, and in the future, we grant the levied men freedom, and if they so wish, they can join the army as a full-time soldier."

"Thank you, and I hope Areus is the Elysean Fields, like all brave heroes."

Leumenes sat down, happy to see the Koinon working together.

~Jirisys ()

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

IC

"I AGREE to your proposals Leumenes"

OOC

You mean that we should let a portion of the Allied army stay, right? And mostly backed up by the Spartatai army and that the Athenians army is to chiefly support the Allied Army attack on Mytilene?

~Arthur (too tired to roleplay)

[jirisys]

IC

"I AGREE to your proposals Leumenes"

OOC

You mean that we should let a portion of the Allied army stay, right? And mostly backed up by the Spartatai army and that the Athenians army is to chiefly support the Allied Army attack on Mytilene?

~Arthur (too tired to roleplay)

I got confused... I meant the Athenian army

~Jirisys ()

[Populus Romanus]

KILL JIRISYS!!! HE ADMITTED TO ASSASSISNATING AREUS!!!! IN THE SPARTAN COUNCIL!!! HE POISONED HIM WITH A PIECE OF PARCHMENT!!! KIIIL HIIIM!!!

[jirisys]

KILL JIRISYS!!! HE ADMITTED TO ASSASSISNATING AREUS!!!! IN THE SPARTAN COUNCIL!!! HE POISONED HIM WITH A PIECE OF PARCHMENT!!! KIIIL HIIIM!!!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read the introduction please

~Jirisys (I'm still in the Athenian Boule)

[Molinaargh]

Small update to the Athenian parties:

Demosthenes has been randomly picked as the new Epistates according to Athenian written law.

[Enyalio]

Leuemenes arose, now with more free time, and a Fiancee, at age 27, he saw prosperity in the Koinon, and he also was a Scholarchos of the Platonean Akademia of Skepticismos, truly, these were times for rejoicing.

"My fellow men, I have seen the farmers bring forth many great gift to their levied brothers, and they too gave them their support in their farm, the makedonian sailors once from Demetrias, now mooring their trade ships with the help of spartan Helots, the once great warriors that stood in Korinthos, now farmers in Athenai, while they may not like their slavery, they are brought upon many a joy with the fruits that they are given after those great harvests, which they share to the levied men. I am saddened to hear that Areus died, for he was a brave man, and a devilish butcher in battles. I see those levies wanting to return home, to their loved ones, yet, for Pergamon to receive help, we need to ask them one last fight, before professional armies be recruited. I AGREE with both of Enyalio's proposal. Also I too AGREE with Athourus second proposal but, PARTIALLY AGREE with his first one, If we would like more neutrality in alliegances, we must ask the spartans to help the allied army, I agree with that; however I'd PROPOSE garrisoning the Athenian army inside the walls of Demetrias, so they buy more time for the siege, as they could relieve it easily if the makedonians are to recklessly attack it, giving the Allied and Spartan army more time for the siege and the travel. Let us not forget of Sinope, as we promised them long ago their freedom; we should not let them dissapointed.

I also PROPOSE we keep upgrading our infrastructure in all of the cities in our control. And I also PROPOSE we must not levy more men, we need a professional army, and in the future, we grant the levied men freedom, and if they so wish, they can join the army as a full-time soldier."

"Thank you, and I hope Areus is the Elysean Fields, like all brave heroes."

Leumenes sat down, happy to see the Koinon working together.

~Jirisys ()

"I thank you Leumenes for your support. I see that you are truly a godly man.

We must be deeply saddened by the loss of our ally Areus. Whatever his shortcomings, he for the good of the Koinon. Therefore I PROPOSE our ambassador sends the Spartan council an offical Eulogy to Areus so his loss further strenghtens our bond.

I AGREE with the proposals of Leumenens to build up our infrastructure and a professional force, letting our levied men return to their homes. Of course this tranistion must be done with caution.

I also AGREE with the proposals to atach Lesbos with the alliance army with the aid of Sparta and garrison Demetrias with the Athenian army. Now is the time. Believing this will open a new front is speculation. A swift strike can bring down Macedonian influence an establish us at the coastline of Asia without disturbing the balance of power in the region.."

Enyalio stepped down and took his seat, musing wich party most closly responded to his ideals.

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros stood up and smiled, and began with addressed the newest addition to the assembly:

"I AGREE with all three of your recent proposals Enyalio. It would seem you are already becoming an upstanding member of the ekklesia. Furthermore allow me to congratulate Demosthenes on becoming Epistates. It is my firm belief that he will prove fit for such a high position amongst our people.

When we have liberated Mytilene, we will not be under immediate threat of hostilities by the major powers of Asia, as Pergamon will act as a buffer of sorts. However it is probably wise to plan ahead so to speak. It is my belief that it is more beneficial for the Hellenic free peoples that the status quo between the Arche Seleukeia and Ptolemaoi is to be maintained, but it is only a matter of time until one of them gains the upper hand, and may turn upon us when their respective "big bad rival" is gone.

Therefore I PROPOSE that we inquire map information - and/or send spies to their lands - from the Arche Seleukeia, and our Ptolemaio allies, so that we can see how their ongoing war progresses, so that we can plan our actions accordingly."

He added:" I also AGREE with Leumenes proposals regarding standardising the army."

[Arthur, king of the Britons]

Arthouros added:

"Some in the Spartatai assembly are proposing that Pergamon is to be conquered after our liberation of Mytilene. Also it appears to be some sort of desire amongst some of them to bind Pergamon and/or Mytilene closer to them, by attacking using the Spartan armies. Am I correct in the notion that we Athenioi control all of the Koinon fleet at this time? In any event I PROPOSE that we block any attempts on their behalf to deploy the Spartatai army in Mikra Asia independently and that all Koinon forces that are going to be deployed to Mikra Asia, (Spartatai reinforcement included) are to be placed directly under Alliance command. Mytilene is to stay neutral in inter-Koinon politics and Pergamon shall not be forced into the Koinon"

[Enyalio]

"Indeed Arthouros, you speak justly and wisely, I AGREE. If any bond to the greek Poleis in Asia can be affirmed, it is the bond to Athenai and not to Sparta. It were our forefathers who have founded these cities.
However, we must admit our bonds have been neglected for too long impose ourselves upon them or to believe they will join us full-heartedly. We must face these truths and also make clear that this is to be respected by Sparta. Their poleis must join the alliance under the banners of the union of Hellas, not under Spartan military control..."

Enyalio walked down to Arthouros to thank him for his kind words and to exchange their ideas about the future of the Asian expedition.