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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    I'm not sure any sentient being agrees with murdering someone in order to get high, but murder is not in question here. The issue is drug use.



    Indeed.



    You speak again of murder, but murder is not the issue. Drug use is. You spoke of executions for drug users in your original post, not executions for murderers.



    I was speaking again to how drug users would be treated.



    We must have a crossed wire here somewhere. I was speaking to the issue of drug use, as per your original post, but you are speaking to the issue of murder only.

    All my questions were to the issue of how "you" would treat drug users. Sorry if I was unclear in my previous post.
    You don't understand though Beirut, it is a matter of where the drugs come from. Right now, the drug industry is responsible for untold death and destruction in Latin American countries, the Middle East, etc. When you buy drugs, you money goes toward continuing that cycle of murder and destruction. People know this, and yet they still buy drugs. That is murder...plain and simple. The question of drug use is the question of murder.
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    You don't understand though Beirut, it is a matter of where the drugs come from. Right now, the drug industry is responsible for untold death and destruction in Latin American countries, the Middle East, etc. When you buy drugs, you money goes toward continuing that cycle of murder and destruction. People know this, and yet they still buy drugs. That is murder...plain and simple. The question of drug use is the question of murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    You're a fool
    That was a very intelligent response Strike. Perhaps you would like to tell me how deliberately supporting an injury built around human death and exploitation is not murder. I would really love to hear it!

    EDIT: Or do you not like to hear it said because you yourself are a user?
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    That was a very intelligent response Strike. Perhaps you would like to tell me how deliberately supporting an injury built around human death and exploitation is not murder. I would really love to hear it!

    You have blinders on and you don't realize it

    The gulf between our understandings of the situation is so great it would be a pointless venture to debate you.

    You clearly have not put any thought or research into your position. It is merely a postulation of violent fantasy that seems tenable due to way to many hours spent watching B grade movies and playing video games

    At first I thought you were a troll but now I realize I was mistaken, you are simply ignorant. Not many people call you on it because let's face it, life is too short. Me attacking you has much more to do with my own personal flaw of having no tolerance for or bad logic.

    Everything you post is the same half researched half anecdotal tripe that makes people cringe and sets those looking to debate or, in the front room asking for advice back

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    Vuk... even if your plan would have the desired effects and eliminate drug use... do you think it is justice if someone dies for possessing some pot for personal use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    Vuk... even if your plan would have the desired effects and eliminate drug use... do you think it is justice if someone dies for possessing some pot for personal use?
    That's the one I'm waiting for.
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    No! You guys are so wrong! This is the breakdown:
    Drugs=Murder
    Drug Trade=More murder
    Death Penalty=Less drugs=less murders

    So when you murder you are doing drugs and when you do drugs, you are murdering. We need to send in the troops and murder them before they murder us with their murderous drug use.

    I don't think I should have to care about the lives of all these poor druggies, what people are losing focus on, is that we need to protect the lives of those who are being murdered by the drug trade, because life is sacred. Therefor, we need the death penalty.

    Does that explain it Strike and Beirut?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    You don't understand though Beirut, it is a matter of where the drugs come from. Right now, the drug industry is responsible for untold death and destruction in Latin American countries, the Middle East, etc. When you buy drugs, you money goes toward continuing that cycle of murder and destruction. People know this, and yet they still buy drugs. That is murder...plain and simple. The question of drug use is the question of murder.
    Aside from the point that I believe you are utterly and completey wrong - what about someone who grows his own pot? Should he face The Big Sleep courtesy of the state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    Aside from the point that I believe you are utterly and completey wrong - what about someone who grows his own pot? Should he face The Big Sleep courtesy of the state?
    A - He would know what would happen before he did it.
    B - He would have one strike first. If he still doesn't care enough about his life to stop, why should I care about his life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    A - He would know what would happen before he did it.
    B - He would have one strike first. If he still doesn't care enough about his life to stop, why should I care about his life?
    I'm not sure anyone is asking you to care about his life.

    On the other hand, you seem willing to take it from him, or at least to authorize someone else taking it from him.

    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    You don't understand though Beirut, it is a matter of where the drugs come from. Right now, the drug industry is responsible for untold death and destruction in Latin American countries, the Middle East, etc.
    Only because drugs are illegal. How many gangsters do we have shooting it out over alcohol? None, because alcohol is legal.

    When you buy drugs, you money goes toward continuing that cycle of murder and destruction. People know this, and yet they still buy drugs. That is murder...plain and simple. The question of drug use is the question of murder.
    And what about here in Washington, where most weed comes from Canada, where the worse gangsters do is act slightly less polite to each other?

    Actually, don't bother answering. You make completely false assumptions, but the core problem seems to be binding together actions without any legal, moral, or philosophical basis. Buying something from a murderer does not make you a murderer.

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    As for your plan - the reason for the second amendment is in case people with 'ideas' like yours get in charge.

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    The amount of times vuks done this you'd think people would stop getting angry over what he says.
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    I'm not angry, just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaxfetish View Post
    I'm not angry, just sad.

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    I'm not angry or sad. I'm just wondering if it will be one of the guys in this thread executing me with his own hands or will he be farming it out to the state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut View Post
    I'm not angry or sad. I'm just wondering if it will be one of the guys in this thread executing me with his own hands or will he be farming it out to the state.
    This is an important point.

    So many people like to pontificate about how violent rhetoric or whatever fear-fad of the moment is causing physical violence, but they support using the violence of the state against people they disagree with on social issues.

    I really hope Vuk is trolling us and doesn't believe this.

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    The problem with the war against fascism is that it's not really a war.

    If we took any internet crazy right-winger troll and sentenced him to death, we would be so much better off. And it would be a real war too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    This is an important point.

    So many people like to pontificate about how violent rhetoric or whatever fear-fad of the moment is causing physical violence, but they support using the violence of the state against people they disagree with on social issues.

    I really hope Vuk is trolling us and doesn't believe this.

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    If he does, he'll be busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    The amount of times vuks done this you'd think people would stop getting angry over what he says.
    His level of ignorance is just rediculous. I'm fairly sure not one poster has agreed with him in this thread. I don't take this subject lightly either. The STUPID STUPID STUPID drug war is already ruining enough lives and his solution is to impose the death penalty on anyone who uses drugs? LOL in a sad way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
    At the same time I think liberals are too smug with their utopian vision of liberalisation. Yeah, it will solve drug abuse... just like how there's no alcohol abuse when it is legal
    .

    What? I don't think many "liberals" would argue that making drugs legal will suddenly stop abuse. What it will do is stop locking people up, allow them to seek treatment, and take money away from cartels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    The amount of times vuks done this you'd think people would stop getting angry over what he says.
    Gotta roll with it and have some lulz, I agree.


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