Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[Earthling]

Ok, voted in the wrong color and also wanted to vote the Silencer item to Renata so:

vote:
RED SHELL, WOLFEN FIGHTER, PORCUPINE QUILLS, FIREBALL, CUSTOM DESERT EAGLE to Earthling
ROPE to Chaotix
GAG to Renata

[Seon]

Hey guys!

All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain..we can be like they are
Come on baby...don't fear the reaper
Baby take my hand...don't fear the reaper
We'll be able to fly...don't fear the reaper

So who wants to die tonight?

[Diamondeye]

Red Shell to Beefy
Fireball to Renata
Gag to MRD
Rope, fighter and Quills to myself

Bet 3 on Subotan

GE doesn't strike me as scum from his posts either, haven't talked to him about the game but I'll go to his place tomorrow and interrogate him face-to-face .

[Diamondeye]

So who wants to die tonight?

I heard Earthling would rather stay alive and be gagged than die. Please. Go kill lurkers instead.

[God Emperor]

Although Renata has replied to parts of your post DiY, I might give you a reply as well :)

It is true that I do not pay attention much attention to the vote on me... simply because there is nothing to reply to, imo. That I question Visorslash's post, is not related to the vote on me; I question it because it really catches my attention.
As for the vote on ACIN, as Renata says, it is based on some private talk about the bandwagon on her yesterday. I might be fetching quotes later on (I don't have the time right now) , but go back and focus on his posts yesterday. They include opportunistic voting, long explanations, odd focus on exams, forgetting who he is voting for (suspicious of) , and a scummy comment on retaliation items.

[shlin28]

Ok, so I actually wasn't silenced last night, just having some fun posting images but more important business needs attention. Also, as was just asked, someone also stole an item from me too, and in fact partly with that at least two people probably know my identity. If you're not a scum (chaotic or whatnot) you really need to both read what I'm saying today closely, and come talk to me.

vote: Chaotix for the ROPE which is a great idea on top of what I have to say next.

Vote: Earthling for the RED SHELL, QUILLS, and CUSTOME DESERT EAGLE
Also, vote: Earthling for the WOLFEN FIGTHER only as I have no one else to trust right now, though I'd be happy to give this to someone else later too.

Now, here's what is really important. The last night might well have been the luckiest night ever in a mafia game and we have huge opportunities moving ahead here. There's a ton of things I'd like to talk about or try but I'd wait on collective input, if you people are interested in factional infighting or such petty stuff there's no point in me getting in the way of that right now.

However, what I'd like to hear is if we can get about 7 folks who can promise to put defeating the chaotics ahead of other goals. Need that made clear in thread unless you have another way, a faction reveal would be nice. I'd be doing the same in any of these scenarios about myself, pretty soon too if that wasn't clear, but we need more of that.

Alternatively, I need to hear from just one person who can promise 100% bus driver success in the forseeable future and have some way to maintain this in the event of their death. Or if it requires more people or whatever, just somehow on the bus driving, whatever it is.

Hopefully we can get comments on the above by about halfway through the day and I'm ready to get back to you all. And actual comments of course, not OMGUS style votes because of this proposal, I'd ignore those.

I obviously think Major Robert Dump should role reveal or die today. If you asked for my quick thoughts - I was suspicious of ArpTHIS last night for getting into the whole silencing discussion, and MRD also traded item votes to ArpTHIS yesterday on top of possible chaotic connections already described.

However I'll throw this in - for every accurate and precise detail about his character that he reveals, presuming it also indicates his Innocence (evil), I'll do the same, revealing the same details about me that is regardless of the above. Just for kicks, throw some zaniness into this game.

Bet: 1 credit on Major Robert Dump

That's asking for an awful lot without giving any explanations. Sure, I am very willing to throw aside my faction goal to go for the townie victory, but I have many many doubts about this, which include:

• Chaotix? Really? I am assuming you are working together, because otherwise this whole thing is just ridiculous. "I have a bus driver item, gimme more" is not a good enough explanation. He was also acting very scummy last day phase IMO.
• Why should we trust you? and why is MRD more suspicious than you? Frankly after your night-time conversation both of you came out equally suspicious to me, not to mention Renata, Chaotix, Subotan and some interesting posters this day phase.
• You need a bus driver to presumably protect yourself, so why the need for other protective items? I cannot think of another use of the bus driver, please enlighten me.
• If you are gonna persuade 7 people to help you, including people with powerful items like the ROPE, you really should reveal what you are. Keeping it a secret brings you no advantages as you will be targeted for saying what you just did. Why should 7 others risk their lives for you? After all, they will be exposing themselves to people who will kill them to get them closer to a faction victory.
• Your reasoning is appalling - "If there's faction conflict, I won't use my very useful knowledge to stop it". IF you are really not a scum, just tell the truth.

I'm sure I can think of more reasons, but for now, I will not help you.

[Earthling]

I'm sure you could have more reasons, but you've said all that needs to be said. You are probably already committing yourself to killing some other faction in your own factional goals, or you're one of the scums, or a thief, etc...

And like I said, this'll need significant feedback from everyone to hear where it goes, I'm giving it until halfway through this day before I have more to reveal anyway. If you're interested you know who you are and here's an easy way to do what you need to do, just state your interest clearly in focusing on defeating the chaotics. Already several factions have been devastated by nightkills so I think there's enough of us to attempt to put defeating the chaotics ahead of hunting down random stray people, especially when we have the really good fortune of a chaotic and a serial killer already dead.

[Ironside]

Vote:
PORCUPINE QUILLS, FIREBALL, Custom Desert Eagle for myself

I'll fix it down to one item for and the rest of the voting later.

Bet: 2 credits on Subotan

Early voting on Arpeg and had an odd betting choise from yesterday.

[ByzantineKnight]

Do not give two retaliatory items to any one player.

1) We have no guarantee they can stack even though it is quite possible.
2) If mafia collect them then we have no defense.
3) If we give them all to one player the anti-mafia will just wait to lynch him.
4) After the recent (and constant) success with retaliatory items, the more people the anti-mafia are afraid of attacking the better.
5) I said so.
6) 10% seems to work fine. E.g. Seon (a.k.a The Pancake with fluffy's special sauce)

FoS: People who didn't catch on to this... because chances are they have already caught on to this and they're just pretending they haven't.

[shlin28]

I'm sure you could have more reasons, but you've said all that needs to be said. You are probably already committing yourself to killing some other faction in your own factional goals, or you're one of the scums, or a thief, etc...

And like I said, this'll need significant feedback from everyone to hear where it goes, I'm giving it until halfway through this day before I have more to reveal anyway. If you're interested you know who you are and here's an easy way to do what you need to do, just state your interest clearly in focusing on defeating the chaotics. Already several factions have been devastated by nightkills so I think there's enough of us to attempt to put defeating the chaotics ahead of hunting down random stray people, especially when we have the really good fortune of a chaotic and a serial killer already dead.

In that case, any argument against your plan would be useless. You have already accused MRD (and vice versa actually) just because the two of you were arguing, now you are doing the same with me. When I post a reasonable rebuttal, clearly stating my stance on the factions, you say I am in fact determined to fulfil my faction goals. Disagreeing with your position and asking for some answers to assuage my doubt does not mean that I have ulterior motives.

Edit: Also, BK is absolutely correct, how can people even willingly help others in gaining 2 items or more? Hell, some are even giving away votes for the GAG and the ROPE, the 2 most powerful items right now, to the same person... please, think before you vote!

[Csargo]

Dead again in the second round.

[Diamondeye]

Everyone knows that whoever argues against Earthling can't be a townie. It's his favourite hypothesis and it has never failed him before.

Earthling, I am not a vampire.

[El Barto]

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

[ByzantineKnight]

Dead again in the second round.

S'okay Csargo the National Observational Natural-Scientists Collaborating Under Me still love you!

You shall be avenged!!

EDIT:

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

How could you be wrong? Don't second guess yourself!! We are looking for someone in the Python Mafia. All Python Mafia should reveal to us ^_^ Or just send the thread a cryptic message like:

Hi I am either scum or someone who mistakenly thinks its okay to kill townies on the off-chance I manage to hit a scum. I know that based off of the setup of the game I am very unlikely to be able to hit a scum but its totally pro-town to hit townies because I think they are scummy. Also you should lynch me because I am the Black Knight.

Something like that should work.

[Red_Spy]

Items: Abstain
5 credits to Subotan

[Renata]

I'd say that the wounded person is the Black Night from Python, but I could be wrong.

You have an excellent command of the obvious.

Not meaning to give you a hard time, but it's the other characters I'd like identified, if possible.

[ByzantineKnight]

Items: Abstain
5 credits to Subotan

Why?

You have an excellent command of the obvious.

Not meaning to give you a hard time, but it's the other characters I'd like identified, if possible.

Don't listen to her! I know you are a genius!!

[Skooma Addict]

I was thinking how to play this out.
Vote: Hammer Brother's RED SHELL for my self

Just so I get some attention on me.

I was thinking if I should play the usual innocent Beefy, or completely Evil and insane Beefy to suit this game.

Whichever one puts you on my BBQ quicker.

I think Fire Brothers FIREBALL to myself would help sear you pretty good.
Hammer Brothers RED SHELL to Beefy
Sideshow Bob's GAG to MRD
Andross Oikonny's WOLFEN FIGHTER to Bow-wow-wow If I'm not mistaken, he should be able to combine this with his other scanner.


Wager 5 credits on Beskar

[Subotan]

Also....I want to ask Subotan why he started the 20 credit wager on YLC, as it seems a tad too much just to pressure a lurker (and so I voted with him, assuming that he actually has a credible reason for doing so).

Because I wanted to lodge a vote as I was AFK for the rest of the phase, and because lodging votes that aren't the maximum wager is for wimps.

Bet: 30 Credits on Earthling, as it will end the obscure debate between MRD and him, and Earthling is coming out with more contradictions.

Also, lol @ arpTHIS for trying to play me for a fool :]

[Romanic]

For now I'll Bet: 5 credits on Subotan

Why are you voting Subotan?

Bet: 30 credits dcmort

[Major Robert Dump]

Dear Earthling,

I apologize for the fight we had last night. FYI other people traded item votes with ARPthis long before I did, I only got into the mix because no one was voting me anything and I started PMing people asking to coordinate, I PMd a couple people and they helped me, but I did not PM you because of the restraining order. Other players have confirmed there are at least 2 more factions besides the obvious six, which puts them in great danger actually, but you have not accused them of anything like you accused me when I suggested that there were that many factions. I promise to love you always, baby. You also say you wan't very accurate and precise details that prove my innocence and you will do the same for me, but you always say you will do the same for me, like that time with the watermelon and crisco, but in the end I just end up hurt and lonely and on the phone with mama. How can anyone prove either of us is telling the truth about our factions or that cruise with Tyrone without a detective/faction scan, which takes a night phase, so at that point why even reveal at all and put ourselves in danger when we are gonna get uncovered anyway. I only hit you because I love you.


Please come back to me

MRD

P.S. This Butt X-ray didn't come with any instructions. Can I borrow the instructions that came with yours?

[Jolt]

Why are you voting Subotan?

Bet: 30 credits dcmort

Why shouldn't he?

Bet: 1 credit on Romanic

[Romanic]

Why shouldn't he?

Bet: 1 credit on Romanic

I'm not saying he shouldn't, but I want to know why he's doing it.

[thefluffyone93]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
MEMEGENERATOR.NET IS DOWN!



And I have a bus driver item as well.....
why should Chaotix get it?

[Subotan]

I was suspicious of ArpTHIS last night for getting into the whole silencing discussion,

Should have said in-thread then. Die, scum.

[Jolt]

I'm not saying he shouldn't, but I want to know why he's doing it.

By voting 30 credits, you make it look like you already know why.

[ByzantineKnight]

By voting 30 credits, you make it look like you already know why.

Voting 30 credits is less scummy than voting 1 credit.

[Greyblades]

Vote: porcupine Quills for myself

[Diamondeye]

Dear Earthling,

I apologize for the fight we had last night. FYI other people traded item votes with ARPthis long before I did, I only got into the mix because no one was voting me anything and I started PMing people asking to coordinate, I PMd a couple people and they helped me, but I did not PM you because of the restraining order. Other players have confirmed there are at least 2 more factions besides the obvious six, which puts them in great danger actually, but you have not accused them of anything like you accused me when I suggested that there were that many factions. I promise to love you always, baby. You also say you wan't very accurate and precise details that prove my innocence and you will do the same for me, but you always say you will do the same for me, like that time with the watermelon and crisco, but in the end I just end up hurt and lonely and on the phone with mama. How can anyone prove either of us is telling the truth about our factions or that cruise with Tyrone without a detective/faction scan, which takes a night phase, so at that point why even reveal at all and put ourselves in danger when we are gonna get uncovered anyway. I only hit you because I love you.


Please come back to me

MRD

P.S. This Butt X-ray didn't come with any instructions. Can I borrow the instructions that came with yours?

I love you unconditionally for this, MRD.

[mythmonster2]

Romanic sure seems to be retaliatory and perhaps protective of Subotan. Honestly, 30 credits? A bit much, don't you think? I'll give you a reason to start explaining.

Bet: 8 credits on Subotan

Also, time I get into this "item" thing.
Vote: Red shell to myself