These People Make my Head Hurt

[Louis VI the Fat]

While I have a moticum of sympathy for such a position your anaolgy is flawed

A better one would be a priest showing up at a daycare

Tsk...for how long have we known each other now?

You need to get up pretty early in the morning to get in the child-molesting priest reference before me. I needed only eight posts this thread.

[HoreTore]

I don't see why on earth my personal freedoms should be restricted by the hysteria of the paranoid.

Airprt "security" should be confined to the loonie bin where belongs. There is no justification for one of the largest wastes of money ever concieved in the history of man.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I don't see why on earth my personal freedoms should be restricted by the hysteria of the paranoid.

Airprt "security" should be confined to the loonie bin where belongs. There is no justification for one of the largest wastes of money ever concieved in the history of man.

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think people forget that several recent hijacking or other terrorist attempts have involved people who did not look arab, and dressed in the same style of clothing as everyone else.

While double-checking these folks may be prudent, perhaps even assigning a sky marshal if we're so concerned, it's going to be unlikely that the traditional muslim garb people are the terrorists. More likely, they would be the folks jumping on the guy dressed in jeans who was threatening the other passengers. Maybe if that happened people would realize there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists.

[HoreTore]

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

Airport security is complete nonsense.

I'm not arguing for disbanding the police force.

[Fragony]

Airport security is complete nonsense.

Oh. Why.

[HoreTore]

Oh. Why.

Because it makes noone any safer, and it costs so many billions it makes my brain hurt.

[Fragony]

Because it makes noone any safer, and it costs so many billions it makes my brain hurt.

It does make people safer, being able to bring explosives on a plane then again doesn't. Also comes in handy for human and drug weapon traffickers. You seem to be confusing how things should be and how they are again.

[drone]

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

The passengers are the best security now against hijackers. That method of attack has been closed.

What you see in US airport terminals is theater. The screening process has been absorbed into the war on drugs, the full body X-ray scans are both a handout to connected individuals and a potential health risk to both passengers and screeners, and the screeners themselves are either incompetent, criminal, or overworked/underpaid (mainly this). The terminals are the greatest target point at the moment, large crowds of people packed into serpentine lines prior to screening, created by the process itself.

[Fragony]

"This is quite simply the biggest waste of money the world has ever seen."

Can think of better candidates for that award, but it isn't free no. But it's necesary, not in the least because other countries won't like it if we don't check stuff.

[HoreTore]

"This is quite simply the biggest waste of money the world has ever seen."

Can think of better candidates for that award, but it isn't free no. But it's necesary, not in the least because other countries won't like it if we don't check stuff.

First off, no circular reasoning, frags.

And no, there is no bigger waste. The billions you claim immigration costs annually is dwarfed by what this scheme costs. And to top it off, it does nothing to make us "safer". There simply is no benefit to this stupidity.

[Fragony]

First off, no circular reasoning, frags.

And no, there is no bigger waste. The billions you claim immigration costs annually is dwarfed by what this scheme costs. And to top it off, it does nothing to make us "safer". There simply is no benefit to this stupidity.

No circularity, your argument only makes sense in a reality that doesn't exist. It's not possible to scratch airport security. Why are you complaining anyway passenger pays

[gaelic cowboy]

When I was but a wee garsoon, every third semi-nut or political quixotic was hijacking aircraft to make a statement. Ended up generating a lot of "take me to Cuba" jokes and the beginnings of airport security and police/military intervention teams. Until the hijackers learned it wasn't going to get them much of anything, it continued. Security made it tougher and coordinated responses among governments made it more and more pointless -- so mostly it stopped.

September 11th changed the game, since the hijackers no longer needed to get anywhere -- just use the plane itself as a weapon. Secuirty matters, and a set of effective practices to make such efforts a waste of resources needed(s) to be put in place. Horetore, you can make a good argument that the current set of protocols is a bad set -- even arguably the worst possible mix of responses -- but suggesting that all security efforts are bollocks goes too far the other way.

Oh for the days of this

[Strike For The South]

Tsk...for how long have we known each other now?

You need to get up pretty early in the morning to get in the child-molesting priest reference before me. I needed only eight posts this thread.

Bah, I know you always have the old catholic joke in the back pocket

rookie mistake on my part

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah, I know you always have the old catholic joke in the back pocket

rookie mistake on my part

Is that a catholic joke in your pocket or are you just happy to see Louis?