Gay Parenting

[Shibumi]

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Great figures, source?

And on a further note - compare those numbers to American statistics? If you want to make a comparison between the US of A and Sweden, you have to disclose the numbers and source of both sides, you know.

In Sweden gay people can get married.
We do not have a "don't ask don't tell" policy in the army.
Go around in the capital and you will see the Gay Banner proudly raised at a lot of places.

Admittedly, yes there are some fringe groups still against it all, Christians of course foremost. However, that is still a very limited group.

I will venture as far as saying I honestly do not believe those numbers you stated, it is not the reality I see here. I am absolutely sure that Sweden at large have a rather open view towards homosexuality. A political party that would even bring that question up would be ridiculed and scorned.

Your only source seem to be some blog called "stop homophobia". Well done you. Got other sources?

I might as well enter some area 51 blog site to prove to you that aliens do in fact exist.

Centurion1 Given what I have seen from you, there is no doubt in my mind that you laughed. No need to stress the point.

PJ Again? Really? If your acceptance of that post have any bearing on your general approach to data it explains your previous errors.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Great figures, source?

Statens folkhälsoinstitut, 'Homosexuellas, bisexuellas och transpersoners hälsosituation'. Återrapportering av regeringsuppdrag att undersöka och analysera hälsosituationen bland hbt-personer, rapport A 2005:19.

Det kan du læse mere om her: http://www.rfslkronoberg.se/publikat...ion_051222.pdf

Vær'sko min Svensk, jeg kan kun taler lidt Dansk, ikke Svensk. Men jeg kan godt forstå det sprog.

[PanzerJaeger]

PJ Again? Really? If your acceptance of that post have any bearing on your general approach to data it explains your previous errors.

Umm, what? I just expressed my disgust with anti-gay violence.

Anyway, my Swedish is only as good as Google Translate, but I believe Louis' source may be quoting studies such as this.

Psychodynamic Developmental Psychology interwoven with theories of
coming-out process. To investigate the mental health and illness among
young people aged 16-24 who are attracted to people of their own sex was
1285 respondents using a paper questionnaire or nätenkät answer 62 questions
about their living conditions. Many girls reported a bisexual orientation
and a tendency to link heterosexual love bands. The boys
homosexuality emerged as problematic to accept both
individual and the outside world. Respondents were twice as vulnerable
to threats and violence as a selection from the general population. A remarkable
high proportion of girls reported frequent binge drinking and a
high consumption of pills. Respondents reported a low self-estimated
general health and a high proportion of girls low self esteem.
A large percentage of the respondents reported suicide attempt,
twice as large for girls and three times that of boys
compared with the sample from the general population. Age of attempted suicide
low before coming-out-age and before the exploration of same-sex
sexual and social activities

A three times as many of the guys in this
survey than the boys in the study of normal population reported suicide attempt.
The two foreign studies which have not divided by gender was reported that 2-6
times the proportion of homosexual youths compared with youths in the general population
had attempted suicide. Looking at the whole group in this study is
corresponding share over two times as large as in the study from 1993 to the general population.
The causes of suicide attempts are difficult to identify. Among the reasons stated
again, most "ordinary" reasons that are applicable to all (even heterosexual), as
For example, self-hatred, the feeling of being isolated and fed up with their own thoughts. Several indicators
specific group of homosexuals and bisexuals are obvious. Stand out clearly - in
compared to the general population - a lower self-esteem and a lower estimated general health;
more frequent consumption of large amounts of alcohol, increase exposure to
discrimination, intimidation and violence, and a poorer social network. These are factors that characterize
marginalized and vulnerable groups in society.

And then there's this:

The studies in Sweden: In Sweden three prevalence studies on violence against homosexuals and bisexuals have been conducted in 1981, 1996, and 2004. The two most recent studies are discussed here. Study in 1996 In the study carried out in 1996, 25% of the 2000 participants stated that they had been a victim of different types of hate crimes due to sexual orientation. Men (28%) were more often victims compared to women (20%). From those victimized 20% had also been exposed to harassment in the work place. Study in 2004 In the new study carried out in 2004, with 2000 participants, the rate of victimization was 52%. The situation has changed in relation to the study of 1996. The number of male victims is 51% and of females 53%. Young persons were most often victims of this type of crime. Seventy-seven percent of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender persons (LGBT) under 20 years of age stated that they had been victims of some sort of hate crime. Of participants between 20 and 30 years of age, 64% said so; of middle aged persons 40-50%; and of 60 to 70 year old participants about 10%. Twelve percent claimed they had been victims of crimes of violence, and 11% of sex crimes. Perpetrators were relatives, neighbors, pupils, students, craftsmen, storekeepers, colleagues and authorities. Slander, insult and verbal harassment are the most common types of offences. Thus, hate crimes against LGBT persons in Sweden have doubled since 1996. This is the conclusion of the new study by criminologist Eva Tiby at Stockholm University.

Ironically, the very limited data on anti-gay harrassment in the US seems to indicate that its occurrence is very similar or even less prevelent than in 'civilized' Sweden.

Objectives. We examined the 6-month cumulative incidence of anti-gay harassment, discrimination, and violence among young gay/bisexual men and documented their associations with mental health.

Methods. Gay/bisexual men from 3 cities in the southwestern United States completed self-administered questionnaires.

Results. Thirty-seven percent of men reported experiencing anti-gay verbal harassment in the previous 6 months; 11.2% reported discrimination, and 4.8% reported physical violence. Men were more likely to report these experiences if they were younger, were more open in disclosing their sexual orientation to others, and were HIV positive. Reports of mistreatment were associated with lower self-esteem and increased suicidal ideation.
...

Little is known about the prevalence or incidence of mistreatment in the years following high school. Herek et al. sampled 2259 gay and lesbian adults and found that, during their adult lifetimes, 28% of men and 19% of women reported some form of violence or other criminal activity directed at them as a result of their sexual orientation.4 Diaz et al. sampled 912 gay and bisexual Latino men and found that 10% reported anti-gay violence and 15% to 50% reported other forms of anti-gay discrimination and harassment as adults.1 However, to our knowledge, no large study has used a multiethnic sample to document the extent of anti-gay mistreatment experienced by young gay and bisexual men.

Edit: Looks like I didn't need to bother as Louis had it covered...

[Louis VI the Fat]

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[Strike For The South]

Louis, Bringing the rain

[Centurion1]

Excuse me Shibumi. Don't be such a frigging prick. Why don't you find out about people before you make judgements you. I have nothing against homosexuals and can be described as ambivalent to mildly supportive. Meaning I don't give a damn about them doing their thing, getting married, and adopting kids. This attitude is in my mind conducive to a healthy society.

Also by the way why dont you check your sources.

A. The don't ask don't tell policy was repealed awhile ago I had a briefing on the changes made.

B. I can walk around DC our capitol and see plenty of gay pride banners raised proudly all over thew damn place as well like Dupont Circle.

C. LOL, Gays can marry in a few states here. The American system will never allow the Federal government to make blanket decisions without a mandate from the people.

Admittedly, yes there are some fringe groups still against it all, Christians of course foremost. However, that is still a very limited group.

LOL, Yeah sure Christians may dislike homosexuals (blanket statement) but what about fundy Muslims, immigrants, hell the poor and working class in general. At least in America thats how it usually goes down. As well as certain minority groups who have a certain dislike traditionally for homosexuals (African Americans are known for it)

I will venture as far as saying I honestly do not believe those numbers you stated, it is not the reality I see here. I am absolutely sure that Sweden at large have a rather open view towards homosexuality. A political party that would even bring that question up would be ridiculed and scorned.

I will venture as far as saying I honestly do not believe those numbers you stated, it is not the reality I see here. I am absolutely sure that Sweden at large have a rather open view towards homosexuality. A political party that would even bring that question up would be ridiculed and scorned.

I scorn your pathetic naivete.

"first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"

Hell you don't even need to remove it simply admit it is there.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The one big thing I cannot stand the most about the gay marriage issue is the "ability" of states to not recognize certified gay marriages from other states if they themselves do not recognize gay marriage.

Have we completely forgotten the "Full Faith and Credit" clause from the Constitution?

[Centurion1]

The one big thing I cannot stand the most about the gay marriage issue is the "ability" of states to not recognize certified gay marriages from other states if they themselves do not recognize gay marriage.

Have we completely forgotten the "Full Faith and Credit" clause from the Constitution?

Its all dumb but yes this one must sting. At the end of the day we are all under the same overarching flag