Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Hrm, okay there was only one Gag we knew of, and Renata got away with it, but we've seen two players being silenced on the same day (Earthling and Renata on Day 2, I think), so there's someone else around with that ability.

Personal victory condition maybe? Hidden ability that's just been activated? Just throwing ideas out there. (Wasn't me by the way).

[Romanic]

Personal victory condition maybe? Hidden ability that's just been activated? Just throwing ideas out there. (Wasn't me by the way).

Personal Victory?? Hidden ability???

Neither of these reasons is good enough to target Kagemusha. The player who did this was malicious, no question about it, since silencing a confirmed innocent can't be helpful to us.

[Visor]

Just saying.... why the hell are you voting all those items to Kage?

He can't use them all. I, and a few others can probably help with that.

If I don't look like town to you confirmed buggers yet, then I have simply shot myself in the foot for the amount of times I have tried to do so.

Earthling, I still want you dead. If it comes down to a scum, me and you, I won't know who to vote for. You are the worst town player I have ever seen so far. And I doubt that will be surpassed.

[Romanic]

vote: all items to Kagemusha

Thank you for reminding me to vote items to someone.

[Visor]

Where the hell is the suicide smiliey?

[johnhughthom]

[Romanic]

Bollox. I'm in the last three write-ups killing lurkers. Unless I can kill in two distinctly separate ways then there is no way I'm a Chaotic.

Though I must say, nice argument, wrong conclusion.

Ugh, so you claim having killed Believer on Night 7, dcmort on Night 8 and Link on Night 9, all of those with 20% chance?

And you failed from Night 1 to Night 6, but you attempted to kill someone every night?


Also, I'd like yo hear what you did on Night 8. You killed dcmort (20%) and what else?

[Earthling]

He's claimed he was a vig in thread before for what it's worth, posts #1801-1810 are actually kinda interesting.

Could you ask ACIN the same stinking question by the way? He's got to have another night action after all, all of these nights. And how about his hidden talent?

I don't believe that ACIN and Psychonaut are both townies who between them have vig-killed at least 5 other townies with their items. That's bogus.

[Greyblades]

Might I suggest something?
We have alot of vigilantes running about, if BW or Kage thinks one might be scum he could ask him to attack earthling, if earthling survives or gets killed we'll probably know about it because it should show up in the writeup like last time, if he attacks earthling and the writeup says eathling was attacked by scum or serial killer we know who did it and we'll have wasted the scums night kill, if he doesnt show up as said scum; bingo theres one more confirmed townie.
If earthling is realy invincible he should survive and if he dies in the process, hey, bonus.

[Romanic]

And here's an incentive for you to answer me.

fold; bet 60 credits on Psychonaut

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Current tally:

100 Seon (acin)
70 acin (Beefy 10, Earthling 60)
60 Psychonaut (Romanic 60)
15 Greyblades (Backwards Logic 15)
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7 not voting (Arpeg, Greyblades, Kagemusha, Psychonaut, Visorslash, Winston, khaan)

I could use help to pressure Psychonaut. He might not answer my question if he's not ahead.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Romanic, I will switch bets onto Psycho if you tell me either in private or public if you think my Seon theory has any validity. If you don't then I will leave it alone for now and see if it is more plausible tomorrow.

[Earthling]

Greyblades your reasoning is absolutely terrible. You can't be that wrong when you are not lying on purpose. A scum using an item or credits to vig-kill somebody will never prove they are not scum, they would almost certainly appear in the writeup as their cover role, I don't know how people are falling into that trap but it needs to stop. Everybody who matters has already "appeared in the writeup" and that doesn't solve anything.

Though I am really baffled and annoyed at why the judgements made by other players were made on the last few vig kills. Link, dcmort, Red_Spy, Subotan, all very poor choices for the town. I see no reason why Beefy or I weren't told we were duplicating effort last night anyway. I also wish Romanic would stop lying and admit that Subotan was killed to wipe out his faction (Cosa Nostra, and Roman/BL's enemies, plus Roman's personal goal I guess.) I don't believe you guys didn't know Subotan was who he was (and we'd already caught Diamondeye as a scum on his faction) because shlin and Kage did and we also knew Subotan had never spent any credits out of place, only been inactive and only ever used credits on the lynch.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Everyone is lying but Earthling.

[Greyblades]

Greyblades your reasoning is absolutely terrible. You can't be that wrong when you are not lying on purpose. A scum using an item or credits to vig-kill somebody will never prove they are not scum, they would almost certainly appear in the writeup as their cover role, I don't know how people are falling into that trap but it needs to stop. Everybody who matters has already "appeared in the writeup" and that doesn't solve anything.

...What? When you were night attacked it showed up even though it failed and each night the chaotic and serial killer generally have a unique writeup, so when you die (or not) the writeup should give us an idea on whether or not the guy who did it is scum or not, whats the issue beyond your reluctance to being night killed?

[Earthling]

How about somebody kills you because we don't even know who you are...?

You are literally wasting everyone's time and not bothering to read.

Do you think it's proof that nobody is a chaotic if they appeared in a writeup as a different vigilante? Do you just not get it or have something else to say?

Because you shouldn't, but if you do believe that, you aren't even acting or voting accordingly. Roman, BL, myself, Beefy, Psychonaut, and ACIN would all be proven Innocents to you then (plus Kage though he never vigged anyone) and you'd be left with like yourself and Visorslash to lynch

[Greyblades]

How about somebody kills you because we don't even know who you are...?

Oh no theres the beauty of it you shouldnt die so we would get both a result and not risk anyone important.

You are literally wasting everyone's time and not bothering to read.

No, I'm just not bothering to read your posts.
Besides they do have unique posts does the words green-eyed angel with one wing and long slender blade mean anything to you? You know, sephiroth, for the last few nights his kills have had the same sort of killer description.

[Earthling]

I just love this attitude if any of you, Visorslash, or Psychonaut are evil-aligned town. "Let's not bother to contribute anything to the rest of the townie cause, ignore questions from proven townies, not bother to try at anything, actually bet our credits, or use any actions even though we post all the time. Hurray!"

You would think that after all these other lurkers and suspects were murdered, a lot of whom people knew who they were and probably shouldn't have been killed so quickly, Link and Skooma and Believer and dcmort and Crazed Rabbit people would learn that lesson. Greyblades, I again assume you must be the Space Mafia by process of elimination, but you're going to achieve absolutely nothing by stubbornness and bad ideas. You're not helping catch the chaotics. You're not going to achieve your faction victory. BL and Roman obviously don't care about you or trust you (and actually they want to fully eliminate the Space mafia anyway, don't know if they can due to Renata but we'll see...) If you don't die when we all end up losing to the chaotics as could also happen, someone may kill you anyway because of your faction or just to "test out" another vigilante kill like happened to many of the above.

So I'll tell you who's not laughing, and that's Believer and Rabbit and Warman and these other guys on eliminated factions. That's where you and Visorslash and Psychonaut will end up too, killed off and your faction gone for good and we might all even lose to the chaotics, a total loss. I get and personally think some of you may be neutral or something, if not outright chaotic, and are trying your hardest to not lift a finger for the evil-chaotic conflict, but if not you're not helping at all.

edit with your edit -

I'll ask you again, are you bothering to read and think about this?

Besides they do have unique posts does the words green-eyed angel with one wing and long slender blade mean anything to you? You know, sephiroth, for the last few nights his kills have had the same sort of killer description.

Do you believe that automatically, anybody else who appears in the writeup with a different character description, is not chaotic then? You believe that it's impossible Sephiroth has a cover role and other actions with his cover role he appears as a "masked figure" or whatever? You clearly haven't thought this through because your words and actions do not reflect this.

[Greyblades]

Do you believe that automatically, anybody else who appears in the writeup with a different character description, is not chaotic then? You believe that it's impossible Sephiroth has a cover role and other actions with his cover role he appears as a "masked figure" or whatever? You clearly haven't thought this through because your words and actions do not reflect this.

I think that if the cover role was used in the writeup instead of the chaotic role it would render the cover role useless, and really, I think after about 3 turns at least of the same green eyes and long blade being shown in the writeups we can use it as at least a way to tell if its sephiroth that did what kill.

[Earthling]

I don't know what you are thinking but maybe later looking back you'll realize you are confused.

It's very likely we would solve nothing by attempting what you would suggest.

Ask yourself, what happens if Sephiroth pays credits to vigilante kill somebody?

Does Sephiroth kill two people in the writeup (we notice that never happened)?

Were Sephiroth and all the other chaotics not allowed, by the rules, to do something like purchase a vigilante kill? You don't really believe that, do you, surely that would have been broken.

Obviously Sephiroth did not have 700 credits and has been purchasing vigilante kills every night. He's got another ability. So if we took some random player and said "you, spend your credits on killing this other guy" (and with an item it would be about the same) that's not going to definitively prove it's not Sephiroth. Sephiroth could probably do that and carry out his regular kill.

[Greyblades]

Sephiroth could probably do that and carry out his regular kill.

Point taken. Though we havent realy had any evidence to suggest the writeups will be different just because the method of killing is different.

[Earthling]

I know we don't have guaranteed evidence. But it looks really bad if we assume otherwise.

Again, BL, Roman, Kage, Earthling, Psychonaut, Beefy, ACIN have all "appeared in the writeups" as something other than Sephiroth and Blackwings.

Winston and ARPThis replaced completely inactive people who almost certainly were not sending in kill orders as chaotics, plus we basically know who they are/their factions.

That leaves you, Greyblades, and Visorslash and Yaseikhaan (who replaced mythmonster but mythmoster was active before and claimed he was attempting vigs) who never actually "appeared in the writeups."

Just an honest question, do you think that is the right lead to follow?

And look, I want to be clear on something again, it's extremely disappointing that you and Psychonaut both have not revealed which faction you are. You're not addressing me when I say something about it, ok, but I again believe whoever is the Space Mafia is not a scum and just needs to speak up, just out of curiousity so we don't have to keep the suspicion alive that somebody has something weird and crazy going on. Many other people have been killed as "lurkers" or because people supposedly didn't know what faction they were. The Space Mafioso only has Backwards Logic and Roman's faction as enemies left anyway and good luck thinking you're going to accomplish a factional goal there just lurking on your own. You're only hurting yourself and I can promise you that other third party factions like me have no interest at all in going after any more people just for their factions, (as, well, thanks to many of those other random vigs my faction enemies are dead and we Pythons got lucky) solely want to get the chaotics.

[naut]

Ugh, so you claim having killed Believer on Night 7, dcmort on Night 8 and Link on Night 9, all of those with 20% chance?

And you failed from Night 1 to Night 6, but you attempted to kill someone every night?


Also, I'd like yo hear what you did on Night 8. You killed dcmort (20%) and what else?

My other actions have either been faction scans or stealing credits.

[Earthling]

Such fun things from earlier in the thread. Already got Renata's first great post where she conclusively proved ACIN had lied about a couple of things.

This is an interesting tidbit though.

Get out of here Renata. The more you have been babbling during this in-between phase, the more contempt you are getting from me.

I tell people to stop focusing on MRD-Earthling and it turns out MRD is innocent, I say we should stop focusing on the people talking and instead think beyond the 8 main contributors and look at those who have been lying low. Now you bring up three names of people who have been in the spotlight and assert that these people are suspicious.

Where is the pressure on dcmort? Crazed Rabbit? Robbiecon? Subotan? Warman? Red_Spy? landlubber? link?

It takes something to name 7 Innocents, not even any neutrals, but all evil-aligned, on your list of suspects. (edit - well Red_Spy was also a Lover, right, still don't know what that means but to not be misleading) Whatever happened to this, and never answering the below?

ACIN:

You do realize that at the time I accused them mythmonster and visorslash had posts in the same number range as at last a couple people on your list, right? That at the time I accused *him*, Greyblades had even fewer?

More to the point: where are Psychonaut and Greyblades in that list of every freaking lurker in the game, ACIN?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ok, next round from Earthling. What is this, round 4?

Such fun things from earlier in the thread. Already got Renata's first great post where she conclusively proved ACIN had lied about a couple of things.

Where is this post? You talk about it but failed to link to it.

This is an interesting tidbit though.

Which you have taken as proof even though it probably won't mean a thing.

It takes something to name 7 Innocents, not even any neutrals, but all evil-aligned, on your list of suspects. (edit - well Red_Spy was also a Lover, right, still don't know what that means but to not be misleading) Whatever happened to this, and never answering the below?

Lol, you are such a try hard. I love it when try to take things out of context when it is obvious from the post that it is. As I said in the post you just quoted I had been talking about lynching lurkers since near the very beginning. Those people were on my list from waaaay before. Back when there was still 43 players left I started making that list. You gonna tell me I am scum because I picked 7 innocents out of 43+ total players?

Oh wait, I didn't pick 7 innocents, I picked one of the lovers who was supposed to be very bad for us if they met up or something. BUT DON'T FOCUS ON THAT ACIN IS GUILTY!

LOL PURE LIES WITH THAT RENATA POST! I didn't answer?

well renata, i am not as expert as you at mafia so i dont know how to verify the numbers of people's posts for 30+ pages. i seem to remember reading posts from greyblades but i will take the time to control-f his name and comb through past pages.

i have not been recording post counts, i just go off of what i remember reading over the past 4 days. lol compared to earthling everyone seems like a lurker so you may be right.

but all joking aside, your statement still is "meh" to me. lets say you are right, what evidence makes THESE lurkers worthy of all of our attention and why should we let those i listed slide?

At the time as I have said many times before, I thought Greyblades was innocent and being used as a scapegoat because I thought Renata was scummy. Psychonaut I don't remember why I didn't include him. I have to look back and see if he made anti-Renata statements, that might explain it.

My god, how many more times do I have to keep shutting down your poor arguments only to have you come back with lies and out of context statements?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm taking a break from this game. I can't keep wasting my last week before finals on refuting every lie that Earthling wants to pop out of his mouth. I will be afk until the last 2 hours of the round to check in. I'm not gonna get frustrated over you Earthling. This is just a game and you play it in a way that is insulting to me but whatever. Go claim Kage is lying about being silenced or something since only you seem to have all the answers and all the insight.

[Romanic]

Romanic, I will switch bets onto Psycho if you tell me either in private or public if you think my Seon theory has any validity. If you don't then I will leave it alone for now and see if it is more plausible tomorrow.

Yeah perhaps it does make sense, but I don't think lynching Seon is an option if he's really the killer. He's already dead, lynching him again will probably be a waste, and we cannot afford this.

[Romanic]

I'm taking a break from this game.

I'm really tired of reading that kind of stuff. I played a game on another site with 3-4 players who stopped playing because things didn't go their way. I don't care about these reactions anymore. If you can't handle being accused, don't play. Ciao.

[Winston Hughes]

Bet: 21 credits on Greyblades

I'm seeing that same slippery nature that nearly won him a recent vanilla game. He ignored Backwards Logic's accusation, and instead talked about what vigs should be doing, then provoked Earthling into yet more text-walling.

[seireikhaan]

Just a reminder that we're all here to have fun.



Meanwhile, I will bet: 10 credits on greyblades.

[Greyblades]

I'm seeing that same slippery nature that nearly won him a recent vanilla game.

...Dude, thats just wrong, in that game I stayed out of the spotlight as much as I could, in this one I went into full crazy mode and went at reneta.