Askthepizzaguy Mafia II: The Revengening [Concluded]

[shlin28]

Okay, my previous post may have been incorrect now that I looked through that voting record. Earthling and Greyblades both voted DE before he was in the lead, so I guess the Chaotic must be one of Arpeg, Beefy or Winston.

Beefy is a good enough choice now I guess.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

arpeg - He jumped a bit late onto the GE bandwagon, unless he voiced his suspicions re: GE beforehand? A quick glance through his posts didn't reveal anything.

If you'd have looked hard enough, you'd have seen me try to finger GE mid-game, saying that "his behaviour is strange". I believe Romanic replied to the post.

Regardless, here is my amended version of Romanic's list:

acin - maybe
arpeg - NO U
Beefy - Definitely a suspect
Earthling - Been in regular contact with, it's absurd to think he's a suspect.
Greyblades - maybe
Kage - Vanilla as cornetto
Romanic - I'll sleep with one eye open, I'd be quite surprised though.
Winston Hughes - maybe

In light of this: Bet 20 credits: Beefy

[Kagemusha]

What the fig? Good lord how can you lot be so bloody thick. You know what, screw it I've allready made my defense here;

If it sways you, good for you, otherwise you deserve the ending you get. I'm giving all my items to Earthling just out of spite, you cant steal the things off him so easily.
Special mentions go to kagemusha for using me to roleblock earthling last night then turning on me today. Top notch.

*grumbes*One time I manage to prove my innocence without doing something stupid and its not enough for these people.*grumbles*

Can earthling confirm that he was roleblocked?

[Greyblades]

I doubt it because it failed. 10% doesnt realy go very far. Pity its irrelivant because you're a confirmed townie and roleblocking isnt exactly incriminating, I dont realy understand why you care if its proven or not.

[Kagemusha]

As you must understand. I am just narrowing down suspects. Not exactly very easy job when people have couple night actions to use. We are not acting in any kind of unison, so please bring out anything that might help you to convince me that you are town.

[Greyblades]

Lets see, I turned up lynching a townie leader to lynch a chaotic when I had a fair chance of getting the town leader/serial-killer-about-to-win lynched... I'd say that is enough.

[Kagemusha]

That sounds plausible. All right. Lets give you benefit of doubt and Fold and bet 10 on Winston Hughes. As far as i know we do not have any accoutability of your actions so far. Care to elaborate?

[Earthling]

Kage, can you explain what in the world you think clears ACIN? Do you know for sure of two night actions of his some night? Because several crucial nights - like Night Nine when we also had a silencing performed by the scum - he never did anything in the writeup, never claimed to do anything than a small percentage vig-attempt with an item. What is his alibi?

Visorslash, for the record, it appears you were killed by Beefy. No clue if that was under Kage/BL's/Romans orders. I love how this whole time it seems you'd been trying to get the Simpsons mafia killed off and your second rival was probably my faction but not sure. That actually makes sense in retrospect as you said multiple times you thought Chaotix was Springfield too and that might have contributed to you opposing Believer as well as this arguing about Kage getting items and stuff.

It'd be highly appreciated if we could get remaining living folks to reveal their faction enemies though. Kage - Springfield hates South Park and whom? Greyblades - Space must be a mutual rival with the Evil Mafia, and who else? And no clue at all on Psychotic, they could have been rivals of the already dead Cosa Nostra or something which we never got revealed. We might also work something out if people will reveal playing cards.

Now here's my thoughts on everyone people

-Winston and Arpegg can't be scum, Arpegg especially so with the point at the bottom here, unless something really weird went on with replacement players. They replaced people who had been gone and inactive for days and days. It's is maybe vaguely possible that GamezRule was an ultimate purposeful lurker, and was sending in night orders all the time and never posting, but that still seems unlikely. Unless somebody else was sending night orders for these people (ie. the chaotics were allowed to do this) it's crazy to think they are Sephiroth as the sole remaining chaotic. Plus with some of the replacements the "declaring dead townies can't be revived" is highly unlikely to have been done to gain a replacement player for a chaotic role.

-Roman, Kage are obvious. I know who I am personally so that makes my list for me.

-It's really wrong imo to think Greyblades is the sole remaining chaotic as Sephiroth. We really believe that Sephiroth, with more powers/godfatherness than the rest of the chaotics, Renata, and Jolt as a neutral killer were all on the same faction? And honestly if it was Greyblades at this point it would appear ridiculously gutsy that the chaotics decided to switch off of Renata to Diamondeye. They could have won the vote against Renata if they all chipped in (this is also extremely worth pointing out for other lynches too guys. Day Five is informative in that the chaotics sat back and didn't care. Day Two Chaotix had some votes on him that might be worth looking over though it was in large part the dead Innocent B_Ray's fault that YLC was lynched in the end.) Greyblades looks like a townie whose sole problem with Renata was her coming after him, justifiably in that Renata was wasting everyone's time and credits, and his faction is a huge deal at this point. If there are two scum he could be one of them, true, but I think that's still not the best place to start.

-Beefy has been vigging people at night all the time and should have an easy alibi if he ever did a second action, though I'd like to hear it. His vigilante-ing is presumably ability based which makes a chaotic kill, also ability based, unlikely at the same time. This point is actually important, if BL did something like transfer his vig items to Beefy and that explains why Beefy has been so successful recently and he's using an item-based action, then it doesn't rule out another ability. Though I think everyone is forgetting that one of his vig targets attacked the same person as a chaotic did - Blackwings against Blackadder2 iirc, that was never contradicted. It's really unlikely Beefy is coordinating with the chaotics in light of that if it's confirmed, attacking the same person as Blackwings wastefully, plus we caught a chaotic person on his faction already, plus he seems to have been working with BL/Roman for a long time, etc...

-That leaves ACIN of course. Other than a couple kills of Innocents with a claimed item... no excuses, we know nothing about him or what he's done. He claimed he was stolen from once before in thread actually, yet had huge amounts of credits and no further explanation where they came from. His scraps with several townies early on still look terrible, and lying at least a dozen times in the past Day to escape yesterday's lynch doesn't help.

If there are two remaining living scum, it's absurd to think ACIN is not one. Nobody on ACIN's six person faction is scum, not even neutral or anything, yet we'd expect multiple scum, or Renata plus Sephiroth, or something like that on other factions?

If there is one remaining scum, especially meaning that if the Seon theory is true, it's still just as likely it's ACIN.

bet: 10 credits on ACIN

Also, Kage and Roman, between you two you have what, 70-80% of vig items and 70-80% of roleblock items? Or maybe protection too? Is one of you really going to be able to use the bus driver and scanner? I'm ok with the idea of keeping it out of someone else's hands, if that's what you want, obvious for the bus driver, but I can't believe you can do all that and the bus driver and the scanner. The scanner should probably go to somebody who can actually use it as it can't do any harm.

[Kagemusha]

Dont worry Earthling items are being spread around. There is just 0% chance that we are going to tell in public who has and what.

[Earthling]

Except nobody other than you or Roman should have any of the items voted to BL or you the whole time. That's a huge problem, again if you did something like give Beefy the vigilante items and he's been killing with items rather than his own talents that invalidates a lot of what we know about him.

[Diamondeye]

I'm takling bets on how much they panic when I turn out town as well.

... At what odds?

[Greyblades]

They go into denial: 2-1
They lynch at random: 3-1
They lynch the confirmed townies 5-1
They manage to lynch earthling 10-1

[Diamondeye]

They go into denial: 2-1
They lynch at random: 3-1
They lynch the confirmed townies 5-1
They manage to lynch earthling 10-1

Can I bet 5 on "random" and another hopeful 5 on "earthling", please?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Kage, can you explain what in the world you think clears ACIN? Do you know for sure of two night actions of his some night? Because several crucial nights - like Night Nine when we also had a silencing performed by the scum - he never did anything in the writeup, never claimed to do anything than a small percentage vig-attempt with an item. What is his alibi?

Does every one need to be doing something every single night to escape suspicion? I think 80% of players in this game did nothing for the vast majority of nights. You talk a lot about alibi's and what actions they have done during the night when you have already recognized publicly that performing any sort of action at night doesn't mean they are not scum.

It'd be highly appreciated if we could get remaining living folks to reveal their faction enemies though. Kage - Springfield hates South Park and whom? Greyblades - Space must be a mutual rival with the Evil Mafia, and who else? And no clue at all on Psychotic, they could have been rivals of the already dead Cosa Nostra or something which we never got revealed. We might also work something out if people will reveal playing cards.

Yes, I am sure by spending all of our time trying to figure out ATPG's game of cards we can win this. All we have to do is wait for your interpretation of what they mean and we will totally win lol.

-It's really wrong imo to think Greyblades is the sole remaining chaotic as Sephiroth. We really believe that Sephiroth, with more powers/godfatherness than the rest of the chaotics, Renata, and Jolt as a neutral killer were all on the same faction?

Funny, from looking at your posting history you were claiming that it was Greyblades around the beginning of May. I like how you are still holding onto the fact that the factions mean anything because they are really the only thing you can manipulate in your favor easily. ATPG for all we know did a random.org selections of who was going to be who, specifically because he figured that having 1 bad guy in each faction is too neat and too easy for the evils. Spreadsheet victory's are probably impossible this game, just as ATPG probably designed it.

And honestly if it was Greyblades at this point it would appear ridiculously gutsy that the chaotics decided to switch off of Renata to Diamondeye. They could have won the vote against Renata if they all chipped in

Thank you for just confirming that I am innocent. I secured DE's death when I could have easily hammered the last nail into Renata's coffin since she was still ahead at the time I voted for DE.

(this is also extremely worth pointing out for other lynches too guys. Day Five is informative in that the chaotics sat back and didn't care. Day Two Chaotix had some votes on him that might be worth looking over though it was in large part the dead Innocent B_Ray's fault that YLC was lynched in the end.) Greyblades looks like a townie whose sole problem with Renata was her coming after him, justifiably in that Renata was wasting everyone's time and credits, and his faction is a huge deal at this point. If there are two scum he could be one of them, true, but I think that's still not the best place to start.

So he could very well be scum. But he isn't. Nice.

-Beefy has been vigging people at night all the time and should have an easy alibi if he ever did a second action, though I'd like to hear it. His vigilante-ing is presumably ability based which makes a chaotic kill, also ability based, unlikely at the same time. This point is actually important, if BL did something like transfer his vig items to Beefy and that explains why Beefy has been so successful recently and he's using an item-based action, then it doesn't rule out another ability. Though I think everyone is forgetting that one of his vig targets attacked the same person as a chaotic did - Blackwings against Blackadder2 iirc, that was never contradicted. It's really unlikely Beefy is coordinating with the chaotics in light of that if it's confirmed, attacking the same person as Blackwings wastefully, plus we caught a chaotic person on his faction already, plus he seems to have been working with BL/Roman for a long time, etc...

Of course, this could all be explained simply through careful planning by the chaotics to have blackwings attack as himself and with a vig item through a cover role but whatever, this apparently means that he is innocent? I have seen better evidence towards known chaotics being innocent.

-That leaves ACIN of course.

Of course.

Other than a couple kills of Innocents with a claimed item... no excuses, we know nothing about him or what he's done.

No, you don't know what I have done. Big difference. Stop trying to push from a position of power when you have none.

He claimed he was stolen from once before in thread actually, yet had huge amounts of credits and no further explanation where they came from. His scraps with several townies early on still look terrible, and lying at least a dozen times in the past Day to escape yesterday's lynch doesn't help.

Lies. As I already informed Psycho publicly, I hoarded to the point that I could go on that show about hoarders. I didn't have to spend any money on kills because of my vig item and I am completely out of money because I had credits stolen from me earlier plus that 100 cred bet. That 100 credits was about 99% of what I had. You gonna tell me it is suspicious to have 100 credits after 9 days? If I had never lost any money like you claim I would still be swimming in credits right now.

If there are two remaining living scum, it's absurd to think ACIN is not one. Nobody on ACIN's six person faction is scum, not even neutral or anything, yet we'd expect multiple scum, or Renata plus Sephiroth, or something like that on other factions?

No, it is absurd to think you are not one. As I have said before, the evil faction could very well be an exception to your theory you keep pushing that there has to be one baddie on every team and we can just sit back and make charts to victory. This is a game of evil's. All the other factions are evilish but they are not pure evil. Thus there are disloyal members on them, AKA the chaotics, serial killers and Renata. Then there is a team among the evil's who are labeled the evil team. I'm sorry but I don't see how ATPG would make this that simple. He screws with us on purpose with these cards and you want to come along and say he gave a blueprint to victory?

If there is one remaining scum, especially meaning that if the Seon theory is true, it's still just as likely it's ACIN.

Nah, it is even more likely it is you. Your record sucks and all you do is make up shaky reasons and assert that you intuition must be right because you assert that you are innocent. I'm right because I am evil and I am evil because I am right. Pushing circular logic on everyone is going to catch up with you when it comes down to just you and me like I have been saying the past 2 days.

[shlin28]

BTW, the Bizzaros didn't have a single special role on their faction, so EVIL faction being fully entirely EVIL could very well be possible. ACIN is also most likely innocent due to his vote on DE when Renata was still ahead on Day 5 (or 6?).

Focus on Beefy or Winston! Endless back and forth with Earthling doesn't help at all. (Arpeg's explanation is good enough for now, but FoSing a team-mate is a common ploy though...)

[Winston Hughes]

That sounds plausible. All right. Lets give you benefit of doubt and Fold and bet 10 on Winston Hughes. As far as i know we do not have any accoutability of your actions so far. Care to elaborate?

I think I already explained what my predecessor got up to (ie. nothing of note, other than getting robbed for a big pile of credits). Since taking over I've done the following:

Night 6
1) attempted to protect myself with my unknown secret ability (failed)
2) spent 10 credits attempting to steal 40 from Psychonaut (failed)

Night 7
1) attempted to defend Romanic using my item (failed)
2) attempted to investigate Crazed Rabbit using my secret ability (failed)

At this point, I talked to Roman, who said not to bother trying to uncover my secret ability, and instead to focus on credit stealing, and using my item (which I needed to use successfully to complete my personal goal).

Night 8
1) spent 10 credits stealing from Psychonaut (successful, but only stole 8 credits)
2) used my item to protect Romanic (successful, but redirected and overcome by the attack, as seen in the thread; I assumed that this didn't count for my PG, but ATPG told me last night that it did, in fact, complete the goal)

Night 9
1) spent 10 credits stealing from Fluffy (successful)
2) used item to defend Romanic (failed)

Night 10
1) use my item to protect khaan (failed, but apparently I would not have prevented his death anyway)
2) spent 15 credits stealing from ArpeggiateTHIS (success, but he had spent all his credits)

This morning, I also found that someone else had robbed me of 48 credits. This was most - but not quite all - of my remaining credits, (meaning that whoever robbed me only put up 12 credits for the steal).

Anything else you want to know?

[Earthling]

ACIN is also most likely innocent due to his vote on DE when Renata was still ahead on Day 5 (or 6?).

The fact that he bandwaggoned to save Chaotix from being lynched and lied to Renata and Zack doesn't count for anything? That he himself made a huge point of how he opposed Renata but didn't actually follow up on betting against Renata is excused just for going Diamondeye? He was much worse than Greyblades or anyone else who has factional excuses or OMGUS that ACIN had the exact opposite motivation for. But a few credits on Diamondeye - who none of the other chaotics tried to actually save anyway and got revived that night - that's all the proof you need? I don't know why people keep arguing that the Diamondeye lynch proves anything and especially arguing that it proves the wrong things. If the first Diamondeye lynch was anything it was purposeful bussing by the rest of the chaotic team after they failed to gain support needed to lynch Renata, and they revived Diamondeye anyway. It's certainly a terrible reason to excuse suspects let alone blame Beefy or somebody else.

ACIN, you also need to stop lying, because I have never once said that "one scum per faction" is what we are looking at nor proposed that as a reason for lynching you. You should be lynched for several other reasons already posted, and your counter theory that all the "Evil Mafia are evil" is far worse anyway.

Winston, I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

[Winston Hughes]

I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.

Evil Mafia and Cosa Nostra, though I've done nothing to further the goal of getting rid of them (quite the opposite - I've tried to protect Roman).

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

I have no idea. I've just about been keeping up with the thread, but I couldn't tell you what the evidence is either way, beyond the fact that we've got two recurring killers and some reason to doubt the guilt of every remaining player.

My gut is saying not to trust voting evidence too heavily, there being a possibility of bussing here, but the same can be said about ability-use evidence. Taking my own case an example, my having claimed two verifiable actions on the same night does not necessarily mean that I actually carried out both of those actions. If I were a chaotic, I could have told you guys an action taken by one of my buddies, to cover up the fact that I was actually out killing.

[Seon]

Hey guyz, have you forgotten about me so quickly?! I told you that I am a dangerous dangerous man, I'm like a rocket ship on my way to Mars, on a collision course. I am a sattelite and I am outta control!

If you could just try and stop me now, that would be much appreciated.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The fact that he bandwaggoned to save Chaotix from being lynched

Lol, when? You talking about day two? When no one knew anything?

YLC: 82 (20 Subotan, 1 Shlin28, 20 B_ray, 9 Diamondeye, 5 Blackadder, 5 God Emperor, 5 ACIN, 5 Mythmonster, 5 Bow-wow-wow, 5 choxorn, 1 Chaotix, 1 DIY)
Chaotix: 15 (10 Fluffy, 5 lubber)
Renata 14 (1 Jolt, 2 Autolycus, 2 Diana Abnoba, 1 Beksar, 5 Gamez, 1 dcmort, 1 Ironside, 1 Arpeg,
ACIN: 9 (4 Psychonaut, 5 Zack
Choxorn: 5 (5 RedSpy,
Beskar: 5 (5 Skooma
Bow-wow-wow: 2 (2 Beefy
Fluffy: 1 (1 Believer,

Abstain: Backwards Logic, Link

Not Voting to lynch:

civplayah
Crazed Rabbit
Csargo
Earthling
El Barto
Greyblades
Major Robert Dump
Renata
Robbiecon
Romanic
Visorslash
Warman
YLC

Oh yeah, I certainly helped a bandwagon that consisted of having 59.76% of the votes come from B-Ray, Subotan and DE. If I was Seph I would not have needed to chip in since as you can see the numbers are outrageously different between YLC and Chaotix. So again, nice try but no cigar.

and lied to Renata and Zack doesn't count for anything?

Another baseless claim of lying. Yawn.

That he himself made a huge point of how he opposed Renata but didn't actually follow up on betting against Renata is excused just for going Diamondeye?

Umm, yes, in case you didn't realize DE was chaotic, soooo why would I kill my partner when I could have easily had a justification for sticking with Beskar in putting credits on Renata. Then the heat would have been off of DE and my partner would have been saved because Renata would have been discredited right there. But that isn't how it happened, so yeah, clear proof I am not chaotic.

He was much worse than Greyblades or anyone else who has factional excuses or OMGUS that ACIN had the exact opposite motivation for.

I must be terrible at reading because I don't understand what exactly you are trying to say there.

But a few credits on Diamondeye - who none of the other chaotics tried to actually save anyway and got revived that night - that's all the proof you need?

Lol, 60 credits was the max bet I believe. You call that "a few"? Renata was up by 20 something points and I totally crushed DE with my bet. You got nothing bro.

I don't know why people keep arguing that the Diamondeye lynch proves anything and especially arguing that it proves the wrong things. If the first Diamondeye lynch was anything it was purposeful bussing by the rest of the chaotic team after they failed to gain support needed to lynch Renata, and they revived Diamondeye anyway. It's certainly a terrible reason to excuse suspects let alone blame Beefy or somebody else.

LOL. First you say none of the chaotics actually tried to save him in the part I just quoted above, now you are saying it was a purposeful bus by them? Make up your mind before you make up crap.

ACIN, you also need to stop lying, because I have never once said that "one scum per faction" is what we are looking at nor proposed that as a reason for lynching you. You should be lynched for several other reasons already posted, and your counter theory that all the "Evil Mafia are evil" is far worse anyway.

This says nothing and is a clear example of Earthling's classic style of bullying everyone into submission.
1. Says to stop lying even though it is true he used the idea that there must be someone scummy on the evil team to cast doubt on me. So he is wrong there but acts as if it is fact.
2. Says "several reasons" but doesn't clarify.
3. Claims my idea is terrible even though shlin just pointed out that there are imbalances present within other factions which does give my theory some credit. AKA, try to crush my possibly right idea before it can get off the ground.

Winston, I want to know who the Psychotics' faction enemies are.

More "I want to know so tell me."

I'd also like to hear your opinion on whether there are one or two chaotics alive, but that should be heard from everybody too.

I have given my idea about Seon, but you dismissed it as wrong, then claimed that I was Seph after I had thought I had proven it, then went on to dismiss it again when ATPG said that any bet is valid no matter what. Doesn't seem like you are open to everyone's ideas, just ones that suit your plan that you haven't thought of.

[Backwards Logic]

No lynching Beefy. 'Cause I said so. I find it very interesting someone decided to take a risk killing me when I had 80% bulletproof odds.

[Visor]

Who are they gonna lynch instead BL?

[Earthling]

I think we should unanimously lynch ACIN. Make Greyblades bet a lot if that's what people need to hear but he's far and away the top suspect. If there are two living scum left he has to be one of them, if not he's still the best candidate (and see above, again, we could make others fill out the bets anyway just in case).

What Winston said about stealing and Arpthis seems to confirm both of what those two have been up to. Not unexpected, but I assume it's true and Arpthis won't contest it, no motive for Winston to have lied about his steals anyway. Makes it seem rather impossible for one of them to be scum and not the other which is good news (Arpthis actually spent the credits he said he did as several of us probably heard in advance, and Winston's night actions seem well accounted for. That's on top of general inactive replacements anyway and what we know about them which shouldn't be chaotics but just stating that it makes sense to me).

Looking over the writeups I have one other significant thing to propose, everyone could look over it again if they like but I feel this conclusion is good:

A) Beskar definitely was truthful about what he knew when he died, and in particular I think I'm finally sure what the whole deal with him and the writeup was, knowing what we know about the Angel now. Sephiroth is immune to retaliation, (BL I also think he has an override, explains you last night and Warman) but Beskar actually successfully triggered a retaliation (Venganza and the whole "betrayal" stuff plus several blantant statements from Beskar later). Sephiroth also seemed to be immune to a retaliation attempt from Diana as well. As for Beskar again though, he presumably knew who Sephiroth is when he was killed, he did know for sure that Chaotix was scum if we see the day after he died, plus possibly knew something about Renata though that doesn't help us much at this point. So whatever Beskar knew was legitimate about the chaotics which is key, he may have extrapolated a lot too but there was stuff he knew for sure.

B) There's no way Greyblades is Sephiroth given Beskar's response to him, encouraging him to stand up for the town against Renata, on top of the already high improbability we face with his faction and role anyway. This still doesn't hypothetically rule out Greyblades being a second scum and Beskar not knowing anything about that, though it would require gutsy plays from him (and whoever IS Seph then) on multiple things plus unknown factors about Renata we'll never have revealed now (instead of looking like just a townie falsely accused by Renata at this point). But he's not Sephiroth and definitely not Sephiroth-as-the-only-living-scum.

So the only two candidates I'm really seeing right now are Beefy and ACIN. ACIN is a far better choice.

I do really want to stress one thing though:

We should get a unanimous lynch just to be careful that it succeeds, especially if people are of the belief there's only one scum left. I will go unanimous with whomever we choose even if it is Greyblades or someone else, but I really, really think we have to get ACIN.

So everybody needs to vote and preferably well before the deadline end. Everyone should be voting now but we have to get everyone on it before the day's end anyway, even for just a couple credits, that's a risk not worth taking if lack of unanimousity will make us fail against the Angel or something equally bad.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Good job not responding to any of my points. Are you just going to ignore me and hope that your long walls of text convince everyone?

EDIT: Whatever, if you don't want to argue with me, that is fine I have other RL stuff to do.

[Earthling]

You didn't make any real points, you just lied about what I said again.

Answer why you lied to Zack and Renata earlier as I already linked, or come forward with proof of your night actions that exonerates you in some way, or you're really not doing anything. For pretty much everybody else there are much better reasons at this point to think they are not scum while you have basically nothing, not in your votes nor actions nor your supposed role which could easily be a cover role. That's not to start on your purposeful lies and scumminess the past couple of days.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You didn't make any real points, you just lied about what I said again.

Answer why you lied to Zack and Renata earlier as I already linked, or come forward with proof of your night actions that exonerates you in some way, or you're really not doing anything. For pretty much everybody else there are much better reasons at this point to think they are not scum while you have basically nothing, not in your votes nor actions nor your supposed role which could easily be a cover role. That's not to start on your purposeful lies and scumminess the past couple of days.

A) You never gave a link. All you did was say, "You lied to Zack and Renata." that isn't a link. That is a statement. Actually provide a link instead of saying you did.
B) You are using false logic to disprove my innocence. You can't prove a negative. If I said, I was away on holiday on Night 3 and I didn't send in anything, there is no proof that I didn't do anything. It basically comes down to my word, and this is the same case that we find with Greyblades and Winston and Beefy and Arp when they talk about what they did certain nights as well. A lot of Winston's attempts at stuff failed and didn't appear in the write up. Are you going to ask him to "prove" that he did that stuff? Learn basic logic please, lol.
C) The only person that has disregarded the D6 vote was you, for reasons I have already shot down quite handily. Again, this is you saying something, and then when I tell why it is wrong you say I am lying and then proclaim said statement again as if it was fact. My votes and my actions do speak for themselves whether you "believe" it or not. Because that is basically what it is coming down to here. My proof and my arguments against your "intuition" and "facts".

Please, please, please, send an actual link of me lying to Renata and Zack instead of just saying, "I made a link." when you never did.

[Earthling]

I already posted the link. You changed your vote to save Chaotix, not anything to do with Renata like you implied, and you lied about other game events. You are going to ignore the relevant points and continue to lie I'm sure, but that is because you are scum.

here

Provide an explanation again if you like though.

Your case on Day Six, again, is meaningless when it does even more to indicate Innocence of our other suspects; you can't possibly suggest it clears you and then go after someone like Greyblades for the lynch instead of you. But you're running out of people to accuse to try to buy time for yourself. Greyblades changed his vote well before you and his vote was far more critical. At the time you voted for Diamondeye, he was already far behind, with almost no townies left making big bets on Renata. Backwards Logic and Roman were guaranteed to support Renata, and the other scum were staying out of it. Diamondeye also got revived immediately. There's no valid way to really argue that the scum didn't accept his lynch and bussing didn't occur, let alone that it proves anything about you. You just latched onto that because Roman or shlin mistakenly thought that lynched proved something and you're trying all you can to appear townie while not addressing glaring inconsistencies.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Oh wow, here we go again. You have got nothing else to go on, so you just copy pasta'd a post from Renata where she is grilling me because I was being emotional in the beginning of the game due to RL problems. That is my "excuse" Earthling, I had RL problems. Not everything is part of the game. I need a GPA over 3.6 to transfer into the uni that I want to go to and my midterms were not high enough to provide the necessary grade I need to maintain that GPA. I play this game for recreation to take my mind off of things, and I got really annoyed at Zack for trying to kill me off early, because I was already in a bad state of mind at the time and I have a habit of getting killed in the very beginning of games. This is backed up by me sending a PM to Zack telling him about how many times i have been killed with in the first 3 days of several mafia games. He talked in public about that PM, which I can find in a heartbeat if you want.

This doesn't even touch upon the fact that Renata ultimately dropped her case on me because I was seriously thinking of just stopping myself from getting any more worked up about the game by quitting. This is old news boy.

I have already debunked your questioning about the credits. I didn't bandwagon. I could have not bet at all because Subo and B-Ray had put more credits on civplayah than Chaotix had combined.

This is why you are full of ****.

When you talk about a decision I made that killed off a chaotic (DE) you say that doesn't matter, when you talk about a decision I made that ultimately was a poor one, you say it is because I am scum. No, you can't have both of those.

Let's look at your bets on D6 Earthling.

1620 Earthling 3 on DE -> (Renata 131, DE 124, Greyblades 55)

So with Renata in the lead you decide to make a measly 3 bet on DE because you don't want someone to pull the same crap you are pulling with me and Chaotix. You can go back and say hurr derr well I voted for DE when the vote came. 3 credit bet doesn't lose you any money and you get to look good.

But wait, here I go right after you:
1623 acin 60 on DE -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)

And suddenly instead of Renata being up by 7 points, I suddenly have DE in the lead with 53 points.

What happens after that? Fluffy makes a bet on Renata but then folds.
1626 Fluffy 15 on Renata -> (DE 184, Renata 146, Greyblades 55)
1628 Fluffy fold -> (DE 184, Renata 131, Greyblades 55)

Then DIY changes his vote from Geyblades and goes to DE, then Visor raises on DE and so does BL.
1635 DIY fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 194, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1638 Visorslash raise 10 on DE -> (DE 204, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)
1639 BL raise 50 on DE -> (DE 254, Renata 131, Greyblades 30)

Then Khaan, then Bow-wow then Skooma all follow suit.
1640 khaan fold, & 10 on DE -> (DE 264, Renata 91, Greyblades 30)
1642 Bow-wow-wow remove 20 from Renata -> (DE 264, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)
1644 Skooma 10 on DE -> (DE 274, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)

As Romanic puts it I "turned the tide" AKA I started the bandwagon on DE. I killed him. If anyone is going to point a finger at someone for killing DE it should be pointed at me.

Then for some reason here comes Earthling again, well he must happy that the person he voted on is now in the lead, and from what Ironside said, it looks like it is a slam dunk!
1646 Earthling fold -> (DE 271, Renata 71, Greyblades 30)

Oh no. Your plan to look good but trying to keep Renata alive at #1 failed. So now you make the mistake of withdrawing. And now you gotta come up with a way to negate what just happened for the future. Your solution? Claim it doesn't mean anything an quote a post from Renata that she later decided to not follow up on because I had a good reason why I was acting the way I did.

Oh, and I am not accusing anyone but you. You are Seph and Seon is probably the second killer at this point. I have been saying for the past 2 days now that it is you, only you and you must die immediately.

EDIT: And with that I am going to refrain from making any more walls of text for tonight and instead I will be afk for the next hr and semi afk for the rest of the night. These Taylor series are not going to be worked out by themselves.

[Earthling]

Your entire post is a lie and a strawman. You're completely ignoring everything relevant to complain again about your "emotional situation" or whatever and that's pathetic.

The point is you lied about your vote, and yes, Renata's post points it out, and as I said people simply had forgotten about a lot of stuff between you/Renata/Zack, but looking back it's straightforward.

Anyone else can go read the game thread on Day 2.

You joined the bandwagon on YLC, the same bandwagon which was encouraged by Chaotix, Diamondeye, and God Emperor - all the other scum, in other words, in a short amount of time, to save Chaotix from the couple of random townies that were trying to lynch him. You lied completely about your reason for voting, even ignoring the supposed "scan" on YLC, you just joined the bandwagon for a reason you lied about. It's in the thread and it looks scummy.

[Visor]

Hey Earthling, why is lying a scum indicator, if you've done it a ton more than he has.....