Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
And I could form an equally cogent argument about why having a small portion of the population being gay is evolutionarily useful. Your argument, as you stated it earlier, rested on several specifically theistic notions, such as fallen man and so forth. So no, I don't think you've put forward an argument for strictly procreative marriage that can stand on its own without the Almighty propping it up.
"Strictly procreative marriage"... don't remember saying such a thing. The thing is you have the same sort of presumptions because already you are talking about making it "evolutionarily useful", so already you're projecting stuff onto a lot of people that don't share that belief.

Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
Exactly my point; you resorted to how the evils of forced assimilation will come from the nebulous, ubiquitous do-gooders who will ruin everything for everyone. Hence my appeal for you not to use the gutmensch in your argument, since it is impossible to refute the fictitious actions of a theoretical group of people. As I said, let's talk to each other, not idealized opponents who conveniently do everything bad we need them to do to buttress our arguments.
I'm sorry, I just get so excited!

But since I went there...

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Illustrating my point about strawmen rather completely. Suddenly the "activists" won't leave anybody alone, and they have a big agenda that they're going to force on everyone. And there's no way to discuss this because:
  1. You have cited no specific action of any sort
  2. You have linked to no source or event or person
  3. You can ascribe anything you like to "activists," because they're, you know, activists and they do active stuff while being active or something

Total dead end for a conversation. If you're going to bring in third parties to refute them, the least you could do is quote somebody or reference a specific person or event or something, instead of pulling the Fragtastic argumentum ad gutmenschum.
The British education system. I was taught it was OK to be gay in health ed classes, so from around age 11+.

If I'm an employer I have to hire them.

If I'm B&B owner I have to let them stay in my house.

You can't escape, the leftist utopia has is all encompassing.

You say you are not one of the gutmensch... so surely you will not defend this?