Mafia X [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

So I just realized that I'm going to have to make a tally and write the lynch scene at 6:30 in the morning again, which I have no desire to do. Round extended until 14:00 US Eastern tomorrow.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Sonny makes sense; Vinny is a perfectly reasonable lynch.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Nevermind...

[[MAFIA] Bobby]

I'm liking Sonny's case on Vincent. If someone doesn't look like he's looking for scum, then he might be one. However I still prefer my case on Bruno, that I've made yesterday, and I want to offer an alternative.

Here's the case again:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

vote: Bruno

His contribution so far is very low, but is voting/posting enough to stay off the radar. His votes so far:

Oh.. Elections?!

I also support Pedro!

Vote: [Mafia] Pedro

Yay, no reason given.

Vote: Bertha

Idem.

Vote: Claudia

Looks like the game is so important that you have to check it using your phone. Centurion1 did the same thing and was caught..

Is aware of a "scumtell" here on the ORG, perhaps too concious about it. The reason isn't really a good one to vote someone, in my opinion, but I guess it's nice of him to give a reason, specially because I think this one makes him scummier.

Vote: Connie

Following Visorslash.

It's ticking me that he had to add "following Visorslash", kinda like washing his hands off this vote because a confirmed dead Townie is pushing for Connie.

vote: Connie

No reason given, is 4th on the Connie bandwagon. With the case I've made on Connie, it's too easy to just go "me too" and/or give no reason to vote for a popular candidate, but hey it's not enough for me. You gotta do your share of the work, find your reason to vote someone, or at least develop a little on why you think that player is suspicious. If you don't, it doesn't help the other Townies analyze if your vote is genuine or not.

Basically I'm voting Bruno for similar reasons I've voted Connie: He apparently not looking for scum, and that's gotta count for something. Either he's scum, or not worth keeping for the endgame since he ain't working the solution. I say let's get rid of him.

vote: Bruno

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Vote: Vincent

As promised, though I'm not really enthused about it.

Also, the one accusing/voting for me can kiss my grits. And they are quite gritty, me having not washed them in a week.

[White_eyes:D]

Killed by a vat of acid......

It's Anne and Connie who are the mafia.

Here is my case.

Christopher voted for Anne with Paulie day one. Christopher is killed night two.

Paulie is killed night seven, after voting for Anne day's five and six respectably.

But everyone seemed to gloss over this fact. Alright, it could just be coincidence but look at the voting when Connie is lynched.

Day 6 tally:
Connie: 10 (Bobby, Angelo, Ralph, Bruno, Bugsy, Luigi, Richie, Vincent, Johnny, Salvatore)
Frank: 3 (Anne, Sonny, Fat Tony)
Anne: 1 (Paulie)

Abstained: 1 (Connie)
Didn't vote: 7 (Bertha, Emilio, Frank, Fredo, Giorgio, Luciano, Pete)

And then there is how mad Connie get's over getting lynched, and Anne's reaction to it.

This round contains fail.

I noticed you were a little too upset for that to be a random runaway bandwagon on a townie.

So, I decided to "test the waters" and try and follow your line of thinking.

Frank has made only 3 votes and 3 posts, which is the bare minimum to survive. That the point you trying to get across Anna? Vote:Frank

I could reveal the questionable and laughable methods I used to arrive at his name. Given how early in the game I picked him out, I can't say for sure he's guilty. But, he's certainly been unresponsive to my votes, after being semi-active in the beginning. I want to see what happens if we string him up by his toes. Will he sing like a canary, or will he go quietly into the night?

You seemed surprised I called you out on it, but you gave a really diplomatic answer. So, I decided to push further....

Not exactly what I would call a good case.

I could argue until I'm even grayer in the face, it won't make him any more or less guilty. Give me a ring whenever any of you are certain someone is guilty, by the way.

Then, I decided to see if I could panic you into killing me, without looking totally like scum.

I hope your not mafia, because it would be a lot of trouble trying to lynch you.

I know I was really good lynch bait but it looks like someone didn't want to take any chances.

Anne is Mafia and should be lynched ASAP, she is dangerous and could get to the end easily.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Yep, I'm Mafia.

[Mafia] Anne, to be precise.

[White_eyes:D]

If you still win this and town doesn't lynch you.....I will forever put that in my sig.

[[MAFIA] Johnny]

White Eyes, I believe that if Anne was mafia you would have been dead long before now. After pursuing for several rounds it would be remarkable if you weren't murdered. With that in mind, I think that case against Vincent is the best.

Vote: Vincent

[Earthling]

Ralph you bring up a very good point but I don't think it's a sure case on Anne. What it is, however, is that I agree you were good lynchbait and you being killed was an odd call by the scum. I would have gone for you in a hypothetical lynch against random person #2 for a bit of lurking and bandwagonning and believe I said so, as did some other townies. I'd again reiterate this is something to keep in mind as we go forward because I still think it applies to my death, Csargo's death, and maybe a couple others, the scum killed off townies who could have easily become lynchbait later for generally appearing less active or bandwaggon votes or others from a host of reasons. The key point being the scum, whoever the scum are, did NOT kill off the people making those obsessive or silly other cases versus one other person (likely an Innocent vs. Innocent set-up again)

As for Anne herself, the thing is the deal with Frank being inactive and WoG'd seems incredibly bold for a scum to be involved in like that. Though I didn't realize quite how much back-and-forth there had been between you two (Anne and Ralph who's now dead) so the scum probably knew they were setting Anne up for a frame if it wasn't her.

To answer the question about Luigi earlier:

Yes, if Luigi is scum of course we must lynch him. That's part of it, settle that here and now, we should have given Bugsy/Diamondeye the standard one chance anyway as that's really just good form.

If he's not scum, he's still too suspicious because the WIFOM situation is set up by the scum all in the shadows, and that's why he has to go sooner, because we'd rather get rid of him before we're out of time than have to default to lynching Luigi at the end. At this point and in a vanilla game, after his original, first half of the game behavior that brought a case once and OMGUSing a likely townie to death, I don't see how Luigi can ever be cleared enough from suspicion in the future that he wouldn't make a default lynch. And all the scum have to do is not kill Luigi, which is the same as if Luigi is scum cause he wouldn't kill himself, and if we see Luigi is one of the last like 6 or 7 people left, taking other random names left off the list, we'd probably have to lynch him without much new evidence on others. But then the town could easily lose, as random person #4 is scum while Luigi and say another suspicious person were purposefully left alive as lynchbait, and the odds of lynching the right random person just aren't good enough.

So a bit to summarize on that - Luigi has been called out already and the scum know dead townies found him scummy, they simply have to wait around and let him get lynched in a crucial moment if he's not scum. At this point it can be useful for living townies, of course, to not completely telegraph their every thought on suspects, but that won't help with Luigi. If the scum accidentally kill suspects number 1 and 2 going into the endgame and the last scum is number 3 then that could win the game. The problem is Luigi will always be a default suspect now, I doubt anyone is not at least kinda suspicious of Luigi, and the scum know to avoid killing him, again just WIFOM.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Still it doesn't make sense to kill him if you don't think he's scum. Come endgame there will only be good lynchbait anyway and I'd prefer hunting scum for now over killing off townies who might be dangerous to have around later.

[[MAFIA] Giorgio]

i apologise for my inactivity, ive had a very busy past few days but my activity will pick up from now on. Im on a tight schedule today too, but for now: vote:connie

[[MAFIA] Anne]

i apologise for my inactivity, ive had a very busy past few days but my activity will pick up from now on. Im on a tight schedule today too, but for now: vote:connie

FoS: Giorgio

I can smell your cologne from here. It stinks with guilt.

[GeneralHankerchief]

i apologise for my inactivity, ive had a very busy past few days but my activity will pick up from now on. Im on a tight schedule today too, but for now: vote:connie

Invalid vote, as Connie as dead. Luckily for you, I'm still in the portion of the game where I count any post as an "abstain", so you're safe from the WOG for now.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Invalid vote, as Connie as dead. Luckily for you, I'm still in the portion of the game where I count any post as an "abstain", so you're safe from the WOG for now.

FoS: myself for not noticing Connie was dead.

I'm really on the ball this time.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

If Anne's still alive when we're below 10 players, she's a good lynch. For now, I think there are better cases to follow.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

If Anne's still alive when we're below 10 players, she's a good lynch. For now, I think there are better cases to follow.

No, I'm not a good lynch if I'm alive and we're below 10 players, because that's a mislynch on a critical round.

If I'm a good lynch, I'm a good lynch immediately. Or, I'm not a good lynch at all.

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Anne's right.

I don't understand all this stuff about not voting for scummy people or letting them live a while. It's pretty straightforward; vote for whoever you think is most likely to be mafia. That means voting for the scummiest person during that round.

And so vote: Bobby

I think Vincent isn't a bad choice, but I wish we could get votes piling up on multiple people and less of these bandwagons.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Anne's right.

I don't understand all this stuff about not voting for scummy people or letting them live a while. It's pretty straightforward; vote for whoever you think is most likely to be mafia. That means voting for the scummiest person during that round.

And so vote: Bobby

I think Vincent isn't a bad choice, but I wish we could get votes piling up on multiple people and less of these bandwagons.

You're talking far too much sense for an honest townie. No, I think your calm, rational thinking is aided in some way by the fact that you're mafia. It even says so right in your name.

You and Bertha are guilty, because you're both fat.

Why does that make you guilty, you might ask?

That's a very good question.

And I have a very good answer.

Prepare to be wowed.

Are you ready?

Well, are you?

The reason why, is because you eat whenever you're feeling guilty, and then you look in the mirror at how fat you are, and that makes you feel guilty for eating, and then you eat because you're guilty.

It makes total sense. I should get an award for this.

Climate Crisis: Averted
Supervirus: Cured
Monster: Drowned
Mafia: Nailed

You're welcome.

[White_eyes:D]

If Anne is not lynched now, she won't be later. Your all overlooking how she acted when Connie was lynched. Even if you don't think Anne is guilty, don't listen to Centurion1. HE was lynched after all.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

If Anne is not lynched now, she won't be later.

That would be a shame.

Your all overlooking how she acted when Connie was lynched. Even if you don't think Anne is guilty, don't listen to Centurion1. HE was lynched after all.

I overlooked the fact that Connie was lynched.

[White_eyes:D]

I overlooked the fact that Connie was lynched.

I am sure it was just a minor oversight.<----doesn't get more sarcastic then this

[[MAFIA] Anne]

I am sure it was just a minor oversight.<----doesn't get more sarcastic then this

Psst... you're right White_Eyes. I am guilty. I just wanted to congratulate you before the rest of them figured it out.

Well played. Well played.

[White_eyes:D]

Psst... you're right White_Eyes. I am guilty. I just wanted to congratulate you before the rest of them figured it out.

Well played. Well played.

I can tell your still going to win this though....hard to believe town is that slow to figure it out.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

I can tell your still going to win this though....hard to believe town is that slow to figure it out.

I wouldn't call them slow for not lynching me juuuuuuuust yet. Maybe wait until you see who the mafia were to make that call.

[[MAFIA] Giorgio]

Invalid vote, as Connie as dead. Luckily for you, I'm still in the portion of the game where I count any post as an "abstain", so you're safe from the WOG for now.

Well, that was extremely embarrassing.

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

Just went through the last days posts and these are what I noticed.

Bertha posted saying she'll be right back after catching up , but not before posting a vote on Bobby. No reason given. A place holder vote perhaps, except, after a quick look, she has never voted against Bobby before.
May have been following the thread despite not posting on the days she's missed.
Bertha, you're gonna have to give a reason, and it better be before the end of this phase (you should be caught on by now if you did do as you said), or your gonna look bad in my books.

Giorgio finally voted, w/c is relevant because (last did so Day3) it saves himself from WoG. However he voted Connie whose already lynched. At first glance it makes him look like he's not checked this thread for a while, perhaps all the way back to D3, except he has never voted for Connie before... so he too was probably checking around at least before Connie was actually lynched. (D6)
He's not high on my suspect list, but it'd be foolish to give him a free pass.

Anne missing on Giorgio's mistake for voting Connie, despite her reaction in Day 5, courtesy of White_eyes:D

This round contains fail.

definitely raises a flag. Can't put a finger on the magnitude of this mishap just yet. Definitely will have to look into her case.

Then there's the cases made against Vincent & Bruno... Both have to be looked into. I'll try to make my decision as soon as I can


edit: LOL 6 posts have been made, since i started writing this... man, it takes me so long just to put my thoughts into writing its depressing.
edit: ok how long is the difference bet. GMT & US Eastern?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

Stand by for the execution.

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

GAH!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wouldn't have mattered, your vote alone wouldn't have been enough to sway anything. I've got you marked down as abstain.