The Jewish Lobby

[PanzerJaeger]

I would be happy to discuss an Isreal lobby.

However, I will never discuss a jewish lobby.

Edit: also, you had "unwavering support of Israel" a year ago? I remember you making an identical thread about "the jewish lobby" before. Methinks the resident fascist is being a bit dishonest here.

Really? I don't remember such a thread. I don't even think I was active this time last year. I've defended Israel on this board for years...

Edit: And upon looking in my profile to 'find all threads started by' (why is the backroom still not searchable?), I discovered that I am still a member of the long-defunct Israel supporters group.

[Ronin]

the US - Israel relationship is for sure a strange one...and at times the level of support offered by the US government seems counter-producer to it's own goals.

part of it can be explained simply by politicians sucking up to voting blocks that are electorally important, i.e:
- voters of jewish descent - for obvious reasons
- evangelical cristians - for religions reasons

then I guess you will have actual lobbys aplying pressure also, like israel itself, the weapons manufacturers...etc.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Aye, don't forget a lot of the pressure with Israel doesn't come from the Jews, but from WASP's of the more Evangelical variety.

I saw a documentary about how there are big businesses in Israel which get these Evangelicals coming and staying over and helping out with some of the communities, one kid was even talking about joining the IDF. :/

[Tellos Athenaios]

In terms of how useful they prove themselves to be, it might be a good idea to invest some more in Turkey as your ally in the Mid East. Unlike Israel, Turkey has shown itself able to effect meaningful change in the region through diplomacy instead of gross violence and it actively aims to be a centre piece of economic and diplomatic activity in the region. It was Turkey along with Brazil and India which got Iran to agree to a uranium recycling deal on Turkish soil.

[Ronin]

Aye, don't forget a lot of the pressure with Israel doesn't come from the Jews, but from WASP's of the more Evangelical variety.

I saw a documentary about how there are big businesses in Israel which get these Evangelicals coming and staying over and helping out with some of the communities, one kid was even talking about joining the IDF. :/

there are evangelical Christian's that belief that when the hypothetical second coming of Christ takes place in order for the Christians be saved (or raptured) Israel must exist....they have some role to play....not entirely sure what particular passage of the bible is supposed to mean this....but hey...people believe in silly stuff.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

there are evangelical Christian's that belief that when the hypothetical second coming of Christ takes place in order for the Christians be saved (or raptured) Israel must exist....they have some role to play....not entirely sure what particular passage of the bible is supposed to mean this....but hey...people believe in silly stuff.

It's in the Book of Revelation, Israel will be restored and then destroyed by agents of the Devil, at which point God's true children will turn to him and the rest will be cast down.

So, actually, the Evangelicals are deliberately setting the Jews up for a fall and the Jews think they're playing the Evangelicals for fools (because they think Revelation is a false prophecy). I can't think of a more dysfunctional or messed up relationship.

[HoreTore]

Really? I don't remember such a thread. I don't even think I was active this time last year. I've defended Israel on this board for years...

Edit: And upon looking in my profile to 'find all threads started by' (why is the backroom still not searchable?), I discovered that I am still a member of the long-defunct Israel supporters group.

Having looked through all the threads started by you, I can't find a thread like that. Sorry, must've mixed you up with someone else, because I'm damned sure I've seen a thread just like this here before...