Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

Hmmm... this comment seems oddly familiar for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.

You all deserve to lose if you do not lynch GE after a scumtastic comment like this.

I hadn't seen that comment... That's not good enough, GE. You'll need to tell us more, as soon as night ends.

[TinCow]

You'll need to tell us more, as soon as night ends.

You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

[SoulBlade]

I still didn't understand Arjos' role. Any enlightenment?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: woad&fangs

[johnhughthom]

Vote: woad&fangs

If I were mafia I would do this to make it look like I wasn't paying attention.

Posted from a mobile telephony device

etc.

[thefluffyone93]

PIZZA!
GRAB MY FACE!

[Earthling]

I still didn't understand Arjos' role. Any enlightenment?

Oh, just a wild guess that can't possibly be true, maybe basic human townie?

[Diamondeye]

You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

I don't know about the "behind the scenes" stuff, GE does that as scum all the time so it'd be logical for him to assume the same applies to others.

Still, as long as I have a reveal when I throw my vote tomorrow, I'm glad. GE, get on it!

[glyphz]

If he doesn't reveal by night's end, then the first order of the day is to place votes on him, if he is still alive by then.

edit: issaikhaan, the final tally is showing error, though it does not change that Arjos has the highest count

Tally:

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Arjos: 8 - God_Emperor, Zack, Renata, Believer, Diamondeye, Andres, TheLastDays, robbiecon

TheLastDays: 7 - Beskar, Askthepizzaguy, glyphz, Earthling, B_Ray, Arjos, Seon

johnhughthom: 2 - Riedquat, ELITEOfWARMAN...
Diamondeye: 2 - Romanic, classical_hero
Fluffy: 2 - Secura, Chaotix
God_Emperor: 2 - Khazaar, Yaropolk
woad&fangs:2 - dcmort93, Fluffy

B_Ray - woad&fangs
Yaropolk - GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief - Choxorn
SoulBlade - White_eyes:D

abstain: n0rg3 Roink, CaptainBlackadder

[woad&fangs]

Curse you Pizza! I have been outed once again as a god. I am Brittania, the godly embodiment of the Britons. When you are ripped apart by my historically inaccurate war-dogs during the night phase, you will rue the day you voted for me!

[Askthepizzaguy]

You do realize that I am pizza, and therefore accustomed to being ripped apart and eaten?

Why don't you threaten me with freezer burn or something actually scary.

[Romanic]

Eh, so it looks like the writeups will come before I come back from work most days. :(

I believe we should let God Emperor alone for a while. Typical situation where he's either a power role or a bad guy. If he's still alive in 2 days we can force a claim out of him.

Luckily (or not) the Scums should make our decision easier, as they're likely to kill GE soon, unless they feel gutsy enough to let a possible power role acting around.

You don't lynch a possible power role just because he's shown surviving a night attack anyway. It would help if GE didn't write this though:

"sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^"

Standing right next to TinCow about finding this scummy. Would have been better left unsaid.

[B-Wing]

I'm gonna need to buy a smartphone just to keep up with these games while I'm at work.

I'm currently focused on the God Emperor question. I understand his position of not wanting to reveal his role on Day 1, but at the same time, he's almost guaranteed to be a mafia target very soon, if not tonight. So it doesn't seem like there's anything to lose by revealing now before it's too late (unless, of course, he's scum). Having said that, if he is indeed a pro-town role, I could also see how it might be preferable to keep his role secret, so that the mafia do not know what role they have eliminated. Perhaps a private reveal to someone he trusts would be best?

[Death is yonder]

Bah humbug sickness and work, sorry for not voting 'khaan

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced.

The second reason alone at this juncture is enough to warrant a lynch on GE. If he's pro-town, he's dead anyway or lynch bait, so if he really wanted to help he should have stopped being dead weight and tried to help the town, not stall for time.

In any case, he has a strong chance of being anti-town and his now lynch-bait status does no favors for anyone even if he was pro-town.

Needs to be lynched.

Edit: Curiously it appears that I have stumbled upon the secret of always posting on mobile devices (despite using a comp). I am now undetectable when using a smart phone to access mafia muahaha!!

Double Edit: Oh wait its just Firefox 4.0

[TheLastDays]

Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

You make a lot of sense here and my whole move to save GE from a Day 1 lynch was before his "Hihihi I'm not telling you everything"-post. That post was actually scummy as hell the netherworld and imo he is a very solid lynch for Day 2. I'D still like to see a full role reveal if he survives the night. Who knows... If it's as well thought out as yours in the first Netherworld we should give him a fair chance of winning

This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

Incorrect. He was more than likely killed by the Mafia and his kill description makes him look very town-aligned and that's very good reasons to listen to him. Now you and Arjos are two completely different stories ]

[God Emperor]

Right . I plan on posting this during the night phase, in case that I am dead when it dawns. I am sorry for not speaking up right away, but I thought I could just as well get the most out of my unlucky situation, as possible. When one is being attacked and does not die, then there is only one real way to go, and that is that this person is to die, whether by lynch or night kill. So well, here is my thoughts during the last round.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I am attacked according to the write up, and I survive. I have no idea as to why I survive, since I really don't have a special role in any way. That I survive is as far as I see it, either because of a doctor, or because that the person who attacked me is not able to kill all (or has a potential fail). Now as I said, it is only standard to have the person who survives, eliminated, so I thought the best would be to just sit quiet for a single phase, since it really boosted activity for a day 1 .. and well that is always useful imo. So that is plain and simple the first and most important reason to why I didn't think it would be beneficial to just reveal all right away. The second thing is that I somehow hope that the mafia would attack me, given the secrecy (only told Renata, because I can't keep my mouth shut). If the mafia would kill me, then that reduces the chance that they will hit an important role (yes that is just the kind of player that I am). The only downside to this, as far as I see, is that people may have given this whole thing a lot of unecessary thought, and if that is so , then I am sorry ofc :). But I don't agree with people (DIY comes to mind) that says this is just hurting town.
anyway, that is about all of it. I think this is/was the best time to come clear, since there is hardly much advantage in keeping this up during the next coming day phase

You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

I guess I will just reply to you, since you seem the most eager to have me eliminated :p.. I will see if I can go over the different points you are making. first part about that I gained nothing: that should be explained above. Through the explanation, you may also see that it is a not a thing that should end up buying the scum more time (on the contrary if they have actually gone after me this night phase.). As for the Ironside part.. well there I think you are adding a bit more into my posts, than what I am actually saying. If I direct your first to the spoiler, and then let you return here, then you can see that I wished to see what was possible to get out of the unfortunate thing. I am saying that I find it odd when people are very active to go fish for information in private, but does not even show up during the day phase to even talk or vote. The point of mentioning this to others, since I find it strange, should be rather clear. You are saying that I didn't try to verify if Ironside have a pro town role. In that you are completely correct, so where you conclude from that I just wish ironside hung, and that I suddenly am sure that he has a role? well I don't know where that is comming from, and I asume it is just a mistake on your behalf. I am going public with strange behavior (from the way I see it) and I have not exactly done anything else concerning Ironside :)

[Diamondeye]

Sorry I'm not buying it. Both the fact that you survived, the writeup, and your earlier considerations about revealing suggests that you have something to reveal...

Also, I'd be dumbstruck if the mafia attack you (and so should you); You're premium lynchbait and has survived an attack. There is almost no chance of the scum killing you and you should've figured that out, too. You're smart enough

[God Emperor]

well . Heh it's perfectly fine that people are not buying it, because I am not selling; it's fact (snatch quote :p) . That the mafia is attacking me or not is not anything I can do much about. Chance is that I am being lynched, and it has been so from the very start. so ofc, that I am to be attacked was not the main priority (as told above). what happened created activity. Even if you may not believe me, you must admit, that if what I am telling is true, then I really haven't had that much to work with. anyway you ofc also know now that people may be able to survive attacks from this person.

[seireikhaan]

Ok, orders are pretty much all in. Writeups in progress.

[TheLastDays]

Renata kinds sums up my feelings about your situation GE. If we see the same guy that attacked you attempt another kill and fail again there might be more credibility to your claims. We'll see.

[Renata]

As I said to you yesterday, GE, I would really like to see what happened to you repeated on someone else before I'm comfortable believing it. There was no sign of a doctor or roleblocker involved; it looked most like either a failing of the attacker or something inherent to you. If it was the former (nerfed role, or can only kill certain people, or whatever) that should be apparent sooner or later (unless that role winds up dead). If it's you, you are currently lying.

I'm not going to try to guess whether the mafia would take a shot at a non-mafia you or not; there are too many variables, not least your own truthfulness.

[TinCow]

Right . I plan on posting this during the night phase, in case that I am dead when it dawns. I am sorry for not speaking up right away, but I thought I could just as well get the most out of my unlucky situation, as possible. When one is being attacked and does not die, then there is only one real way to go, and that is that this person is to die, whether by lynch or night kill. So well, here is my thoughts during the last round.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I am attacked according to the write up, and I survive. I have no idea as to why I survive, since I really don't have a special role in any way. That I survive is as far as I see it, either because of a doctor, or because that the person who attacked me is not able to kill all (or has a potential fail). Now as I said, it is only standard to have the person who survives, eliminated, so I thought the best would be to just sit quiet for a single phase, since it really boosted activity for a day 1 .. and well that is always useful imo. So that is plain and simple the first and most important reason to why I didn't think it would be beneficial to just reveal all right away. The second thing is that I somehow hope that the mafia would attack me, given the secrecy (only told Renata, because I can't keep my mouth shut). If the mafia would kill me, then that reduces the chance that they will hit an important role (yes that is just the kind of player that I am). The only downside to this, as far as I see, is that people may have given this whole thing a lot of unecessary thought, and if that is so , then I am sorry ofc :). But I don't agree with people (DIY comes to mind) that says this is just hurting town.
anyway, that is about all of it. I think this is/was the best time to come clear, since there is hardly much advantage in keeping this up during the next coming day phase

I guess I will just reply to you, since you seem the most eager to have me eliminated :p.. I will see if I can go over the different points you are making. first part about that I gained nothing: that should be explained above. Through the explanation, you may also see that it is a not a thing that should end up buying the scum more time (on the contrary if they have actually gone after me this night phase.). As for the Ironside part.. well there I think you are adding a bit more into my posts, than what I am actually saying. If I direct your first to the spoiler, and then let you return here, then you can see that I wished to see what was possible to get out of the unfortunate thing. I am saying that I find it odd when people are very active to go fish for information in private, but does not even show up during the day phase to even talk or vote. The point of mentioning this to others, since I find it strange, should be rather clear. You are saying that I didn't try to verify if Ironside have a pro town role. In that you are completely correct, so where you conclude from that I just wish ironside hung, and that I suddenly am sure that he has a role? well I don't know where that is comming from, and I asume it is just a mistake on your behalf. I am going public with strange behavior (from the way I see it) and I have not exactly done anything else concerning Ironside :)

well . Heh it's perfectly fine that people are not buying it, because I am not selling; it's fact (snatch quote :p) . That the mafia is attacking me or not is not anything I can do much about. Chance is that I am being lynched, and it has been so from the very start. so ofc, that I am to be attacked was not the main priority (as told above). what happened created activity. Even if you may not believe me, you must admit, that if what I am telling is true, then I really haven't had that much to work with. anyway you ofc also know now that people may be able to survive attacks from this person.

Was there supposed to be some kind of information in here somewhere? I cannot find anything useful in all of this text. The write-up clearly shows that you were active when you were attacked. You would be wise to claim your role now, as it is obvious you are not a townie and the bandwagon is about to pick up a whole lot of steam.

[God Emperor]

@ Tincow
There is the information about what happened from my perspective. If that does not fall under the catagory 'information' then no , there is no information.
and if the write up clearly says that I was active then I can give you another piece of information; everything in the writeups are not to be taken all that serious. I am sorry Tincow but no matter how obvious this case is, you are sadly wasting your time. The only thing I can suggest is that you keep ind mind that I might not be scum, to later on in the game, and then move on, focusing on some others. There is really no point in focusing on me, since I am very likely to be lynched. I can not roleclaim, since I don't have a role

[TinCow]

I can not roleclaim, since I don't have a role

You have got to be kidding me. You're going to claim townie after you posted this yesterday?

I was asked why I spent time to defend TLD and not myself: It appeared to me that he was becoming a very popular choice for a lynch and I was not to pleased with that. I did not defend myself because I am really not certain how much I wish to reveal at this stage. I need to think things a bit over.

...

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

Townies do not have to "think things over," nor do they have anything to "reveal" in the first place.

[Tratorix]

You have got to be kidding me. You're going to claim townie after you posted this yesterday?

I actually kind of believe him now, if only because of what a monumentally stupid lie that would be.

He should still probably be lynched though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: God_Emperor

Seeing as the tally is 2-2 right now. If the bandwagon becomes a runaway (which is looking pretty likely) then I'll move my vote off G_E and onto someone else so that this round isn't a complete loss, discussion-wise.