International board, or something, and the mods, and ciao

[Sasaki Kojiro]

After all, I get a warning for something simple like this:

If I see one thing here, it's that people over idolize Morrowind. Just wake up.

Most of your arguments are rubbish anyway. Fast travel is a choice, you're not forced to do it. More options is better according to you, so why not fast travel.

This whole point of you missing places around Cyrodiil caused by fast travel isn't a flaw of the game, it's a flaw of you, you used fast travel right?
It's just pathetic, you want to convince others so much that Oblivion sucks that you look for non existent problems.

You said this to someone for "over idolizing" Morrowind and you are upset about being infracted?

And this was a 0-point warning.

[Drunk Clown]

You said this to someone for "over idolizing" Morrowind and you are upset about being infracted?

And this was a 0-point warning.

Are you unable to read? This is (I believe) my third post saying it's not about the infraction I got, but about the inequality on this forum.

It's bull**** that I get infraction for things I post while other members do the same but don't get the infraction just because they are buddies with those moderators.

By the way, I see what you moderators are doing. Let's not post in this thread anymore so it can die. Real professional guys, bravo.

And where's the answer to my previous question? It's yes or no, pick one. But you can't admit you're wrong now can you?

[Populus Romanus]

Would Andres' name color change have anything to do with the opinions expressed in this thread?

[Kekvit Irae]

The Org runs on a hierarchy and not a democracy. Members cant overrule Assistant Moderators, Assistant Moderators cant overrule Moderators, and Moderators cant overrule an Administrator. If you have a problem with how a Moderator is acting, or if you feel like other Moderators are overlooking such actions, send a private message to an Administrator. It gets better results than posting about the problem in public. If you feel the Administrator is not helpful, then by all means, rant away, but do at least take it up with them first.

[Andres]

Would Andres' name color change have anything to do with the opinions expressed in this thread?

No need for conspiracy theories. I stepped down a long time ago out of my own free will. I only joined staff again temporarily, after Tosa's passing. Temporarily became 5 months which was too long. Because I have other, RL, priorities, I decided to step down again at the beginning of this month.

I've said what I had to say here; no need for me to keep repeating myself.

[Lemur]

This is (I believe) my third post saying it's not about the infraction I got, but about the inequality on this forum.

So you believe that the Org is surmounted by an elitist corps of mods and their pet favorites, and that the rules are unevenly enforced, and so on and so forth. And you're fightin' angry about it.

Do you have any positive suggestion about what should be done? Beyond, say, you being put in charge?

[Shibumi]

So you believe that the Org is surmounted by an elitist corps of mods and their pet favorites, and that the rules are unevenly enforced, and so on and so forth. And you're fightin' angry about it.

Do you have any positive suggestion about what should be done? Beyond, say, you being put in charge?

I have one suggestion: Kindly ask some of the mods to step down, when they have expired their "best before" date. Replace with people who are more friendly towards the world at large, and members in particular.

I can not believe that some of the mods can still roam free around here.

You have such an excellent set up here, loads of friendly people, loads of people who dedicate themselves to these boards. Why let that be destroyed by a few rotten eggs wearing green?

Shape up and admit that some of the mods are doing a less than perfect job.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You deserved the PM you got Shibumi.

You have a history of provocative trolling and you've been politely warned. You did not seem to get the point when it was politely made to you. As is often the case with trolls, you came to whine in public when banned, putting on a show of being the well meaning and misunderstood victim.

Some people forget that moderators are people with full time jobs and families and we don't want to spend our days arguing with trolls trying to be internet rules lawyers. What do you say to someone who continues to post provocative trolling attempts after being politely warned? How much time out of our lives should we take to coddle unrepentant trolls?

If you're really surprised by the reaction to your provocations then you obviously did not understand why this forum has the high reputation it does.

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

did not understand why this forum has the high reputation it does.

CR

Usually places with high reputation attract lots of members...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Usually places with high reputation attract lots of members...

Like how craft beers attract a lot more customers than Coors Light?

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Do you have any positive suggestion about what should be done? Beyond, say, you being put in charge?

Clever ad hominem Lemur. Just throw out a random accusation that he wanted to "take some power for himself" in order to give less credit to the original point of inequality.

[Lemur]

Clever ad hominem Lemur. Just throw out a random accusation that he wanted to "take some power for himself" in order to give less credit to the original point of inequality.

You use that word "ad hominem"; I don't think it means what you think it means.

What I'm getting from this thread is a lot of cries of "INJJUSTICE!" and very little constructive suggestions. If anyone wants to put forward proposals for better self-governance, then by all means, draft it up, propose it, put it on the table. Ask anybody who's worked in an organization successfully; you want something done, propose a sensible, workable solution. Merely complaining gets you nowhere unless you're a rich brat at a boutique store.

Speaking of which, let's have a look at what unhelpful suggestions look like:

Kindly ask some of the mods to step down, when they have expired their "best before" date. Replace with people who are more friendly towards the world at large, and members in particular.

And who shall make this determination of which mods have reached their expiry date? If anything, we have trouble retaining mods, given that modding is (a) thankless, and (b) unpaid. Shall we form a committee to decide which mods are expired? And who shall staff that committee? And how will we know when that committee is past its date? Or would you rather have global votes on which mods should be defrocked? But such a vote would need to be anonymous, so who do we trust to monitor an anonymous vote, if the mods are such a bunch of mutual-bear-soaping , clique-encouraging sycophants?

Shape up and admit that some of the mods are doing a less than perfect job.

I would be fascinated to find where you have found anyone -- anyone -- asserting that the mods are perfect, the admins are perfect, the internets are perfect or that love is perfect. ACIN, pay attention if you want to invoke rhetorical/logical fallacies; that was not an ad hominem, but rather a strawman that Shibumi shared with the group.

What does "shape up" mean in this context? How is this "shaping up" to be accomplished? What positive mechanism can you imagine? Are you capable of imagining and proposing a workable solution to this problem that has you so hot under the collar?

Try, please. Complaints without a plan are worthless.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Like how craft beers attract a lot more customers than Coors Light?

CR

Because choosing between products with different prices attached to them, are exactly the same as two different internet communities which are both free to join?

You use that word "ad hominem"; I don't think it means what you think it means.

What I'm getting from this thread is a lot of cries of "INJJUSTICE!" and very little constructive suggestions. If anyone wants to put forward proposals for better self-governance, then by all means, draft it up, propose it, put it on the table. Ask anybody who's worked in an organization successfully; you want something done, propose a sensible, workable solution. Merely complaining gets you nowhere unless you're a rich brat at a boutique store.

You want to get something done, do it, or at least show a path to it.

You attacked his character bro, instead of tackling his claim. Whatever the logical fallacy is called, that is what you did.

I got a sensible solution here. Make me an admin. I got no qualms with any of you. Centurion pisses me off a lot but I am still facebook friends with him. I got a contest running and I contribute to the game and backroom. I have a stake in this forum, and I always stick up on the side of not overly punishing someone even if what they say annoys me, like 9/11 was deserved.

However, as much as I like you all, none except a very few I would consider friends. I am out of the loop here with these old timers that have been around since before '06. If some moderator dicks around, I will make sure he is punished. People that feel as if they are not in the crowd can trust me.

EDIT: Everyone is complaining because there is no young blood, just oldies tainted with rose colored glasses at all his fellow moderators. So put in some young blood, that is the solution.

[Beskar]

I have to be honest, I have to sum up this thread in a similar style of Fluffy.


I believe some responses should definitely be categorised under "You should have known better" (especially the moderators involved) and no need really to bring them up again.

As for the 9/11 thread, I believe I posted a reply saying about the shame of the negative consequences by the actions which has lead to certain injustices. The thing is, posting an insightful view or opinion is perfectly valid, cheering with a beer as you speak of about planes "slamming them" is incredibly immature and you deserve an infraction point and some serious discussions about your future in the Backroom, Banquo's Ghost reply might not be up to standard but you can easily see where he was coming from, he probably took your reply to the infraction with "What I did wrong?" as a trolling attempt and he was simply caught during a bad moment. Doesn't excuse his behaviour but at least it is understandable on a human level. As a note, Glorification of death is never a good thing, it is disgusting, especially when it is aimed against 'innocents' 'citizens' adults and children.

Andres posts some good posts, he has a tendency to do that, big it up to the Belgium guy, Lemur too, my forum-adoptive father.

First thing I saw when I read your name, 'phantom' "Why does he have only 4 posts?", which has me curious, why aren't you posting from your main account? Are you simply here to fan the flames of this incident? You may not be having "Shiny 'senior member' title" as you put it, but I am instantly drawn to the fact you haven't been seen posting around, what does this matter to you, whos' sole contribution to the forum is replying to this thread?

As for the later example of the two warnings, one from Crazed Rabbit (ie: fascist) and Secura (ie: rape and sodomy one). I think Crazed Rabbit might have been a little trigger happy, since in that game there was rumours of extreme right-wing organisations, but the Secura warning was an example of really good moderation on the site. There is no way with a straight face you can consider "Rape" "Sodomy" as valid entries in a one-word story thread and Secura decided to simply politely inform you and did a minor edit with a nice friendly smile.

[PanzerJaeger]

What I'm getting from this thread is a lot of cries of "INJJUSTICE!" and very little constructive suggestions.

A lot of cries from the same four people, one of which doesn't even have the nerve to use his own completely anonymous account and may or may not be one of the other three.

[a completely inoffensive name]

A lot of cries from the same four people, one of which doesn't even have the nerve to use his own completely anonymous account and may or may not be one of the other three.

I don't really have an alt account. I said that for lulz to see what you guys would do.

[Beskar]

It's bull**** that I get infraction for things I post while other members do the same but don't get the infraction just because they are buddies with those moderators.

Since "Senior Members" are classed as buddying with Moderators, I will show you something...

I posted this:

If I am mafia, so are you. We are the same alignment, dumdum.

I was given a warning and it was edited to:

If I am mafia, so are you. We are the same alignment.

[Be nice - GH]

I said "dumdum" comment in jest / lighthearted, but it was still the same, it was classed as a personal attack. Did I end up raging and posting in the watchtower? No, I understood why he did it, I apologised for wasting GH's time to him and simply continued on plodding around the forums. There is no bias, me and General Handkerchief are the best of friends, bosom buddies, but as soon as I crossed the line, he acted in his moderator duties to correct me.

[Centurion1]

you didnt get a warning you just got your post edited.

[Beskar]

you didnt get a warning you just got your post edited.

I got a warning as well.