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    The masses have shifted from the Org to TWC. We (every Orgah, not just the staff) are all very much aware of that. Regardless, becoming a second TWC in style and behavior isn't the answer. For one, there already is a TWC, why would those patrons move to the copycat. Secondly, niches (we have to admit that the Org caters to a certain kind of TW fan) are there for a reason. TW itself started as a niche game.

    Just please be aware that there are many members on this site actively discussing how to keep the balance between keeping the atmosphere of the Org and keeping a healthy member base.
    Are you very sure on that? Far as I know nearly everyone is less active. If they all shifted to the TWC, that's because most of the members here have to adapt to new things now. They cannot keep the hatred they feel for the Japanese. What's done is done. If the Org doesn't have much co-operation from CA, as on it's offical forum website, I'm afraid we're cut loose. And TWC has over a million members of course. If the ORG needs to surivies, it's members must come too it's aid. Whether on any website.

    The only unformulated problem is that is this an Amercian website, I don't mean to be offensive here, And here they talk a lot about the points of view from Amercians only. Any different view is simply not accepted. Remember that Total War has become one of the most recognized games in the world. And there is an international pool of players. NTW has the most European players in their multi player community. ETW has many americans. SH2TW however has thousands of British and Europeans, including Americans and Japanese Amercians. Remember now that Total war has become famous, it's websites must cater to international standards. Simply by keeping it Amercianzied won't do any good. After all, isn't the USA the most powerful country in the world? No wonder you get less accperation from other websites. Once I showed my hatred of this website on the TWC forums( The Official onesof the websites) and one of the guys said that the Org was racist and really out of reach. So I conduct that you take surveys of the Org on every total war website and see how much it ranks, and how much people like it. You must accept new players, regardless of their countries and origin. Action must be taken by now. If it is not, then I'm afriad the Org will go bang!
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    Are you very sure on that? Far as I know nearly everyone is less active. If they all shifted to the TWC, that's because most of the members here have to adapt to new things now. They cannot keep the hatred they feel for the Japanese. What's done is done. If the Org doesn't have much co-operation from CA, as on it's offical forum website, I'm afraid we're cut loose. And TWC has over a million members of course. If the ORG needs to surivies, it's members must come too it's aid. Whether on any website.

    The only unformulated problem is that is this an Amercian website, I don't mean to be offensive here, And here they talk a lot about the points of view from Amercians only. Any different view is simply not accepted. Remember that Total War has become one of the most recognized games in the world. And there is an international pool of players. NTW has the most European players in their multi player community. ETW has many americans. SH2TW however has thousands of British and Europeans, including Americans and Japanese Amercians. Remember now that Total war has become famous, it's websites must cater to international standards. Simply by keeping it Amercianzied won't do any good. After all, isn't the USA the most powerful country in the world? No wonder you get less accperation from other websites. Once I showed my hatred of this website on the TWC forums( The Official onesof the websites) and one of the guys said that the Org was racist and really out of reach. So I conduct that you take surveys of the Org on every total war website and see how much it ranks, and how much people like it. You must accept new players, regardless of their countries and origin. Action must be taken by now. If it is not, then I'm afriad the Org will go bang!
    What are you talking about? I'd suggest you calm down just a bit.

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    What are you talking about? I'd suggest you calm down just a bit.
    How dare you? I'm talking what the Org is and what it needs to do in order to improve. Seems you Org Members can't even read my posts carefully! Disgraceful, I say, disgraceful. CAN YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE?? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? And, no, I was not angry in my post! And don't you tell me to calm down, It's perfectly safe to read my post!
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    Er... as the thread opener, here are my inputs to make the ORG more popular (while not losing the quality):

    1. Game-related contests - I see a video contest for shogun 2 and think it is a fantastic idea. For this very video contest it will be nice to have multiple awards/mentions (best battle, best story, most humerous, etc) to increase the participation (as not everybody is super creative) and exposre of good works (as many people want to see good gameplay videos). I can also think about periodic contests about screenshot and stories (apparently people now call it AARs - I personally hate acronyms so I will stick with stories).

    2. Some kind of systematic reward for high-quality works

    Be it a story, a strategy, a discussion... the "Thank" system is actually a great existing, quantitative system, but unfortunately it is not very frequently used. Maybe we can give members some kind of ranks based on how many thanks they receive. Then the site can reward these appreciated members with mentions and previleges (and cough, responsibilities) possibly with those badges that hang below the avatar.

    A good start is to make the Thank icon a little bigger and maybe move it to somewhere more noticable.

    Is there a way to display the number of "thanks" in a thread on the forum's thread list? Then it will be equivalent to a recommendation system.

    3. Custom Avatar

    Allowing custom avatar up to a certain size is a good start to increase user's loyalty. I don't think it will break the theme as the users are still here to post about the game and related things. They are not here to talk about Mass Effect even though they may look like Commander Shepard. (Endorcement: And this is my favorite post on the ORG.)

    That's it for now.

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    I agree with a few points in the above posts in particular:

    1. We do not need to be like the TWC, COM. Exactly. We want to be able to find things that uniquely define the ORG. If people think of the ORG, they will think of something that we offer as a unique feature.

    2. ORG must think of ways to increase visits and participation. I think this will come naturally if we get the nice features in place and bump up our ranks on google.

    And here are the points I do not agree with:

    1. We cater to a more mature fan base and the others cater a younger fan base. I think a good site should aim to take everyone if they wish to visit. The youngs, if left along, will act their age. But if they are among the wise, most watch and learn (while a few get thrown out). There is no point to purposely keep out the young, as one day they will become the pillars of the ORG. My current loyalty to the ORG comes from my participation here 11 years ago.

    2. We do not want to become a second TWC. Aren't our goal to dominate the TWC like the old days? :P Just kidding. We want to be as popular as the current TWC, or the prevoius ORG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltz View Post
    Er... as the thread opener, here are my inputs to make the ORG more popular (while not losing the quality):

    1. Game-related contests - I see a video contest for shogun 2 and think it is a fantastic idea. For this very video contest it will be nice to have multiple awards/mentions (best battle, best story, most humerous, etc) to increase the participation (as not everybody is super creative) and exposre of good works (as many people want to see good gameplay videos). I can also think about periodic contests about screenshot and stories (apparently people now call it AARs - I personally hate acronyms so I will stick with stories).
    For that you need members who have the talent to participate in contests and have the dedication to put in some hard work. Such members are always a minority on all sites and if you're a site with not many members, such members will be rare. One thing that could be done is advertising our contest on other websites. Some websites won't like that, others won't make a big deal out of it (e.g. TWC has been very nice and cooperative in the past with allowing us to advertise contests and all kinds of stuff, like games in the Throne Room or mafia games in the GR). Perhaps advertising our contests on gamersfora of other strategy games (e.g. Paradox games) could help.

    These are things that can be done by every member here (e.g. if you have an account at the Paradox fora or the TWC, you can talk about an .Org contest or mafia game there).

    I'm going to be very honest here: staff can't bring the .Org back to its' glory days all by themselves. We need the help of our members for that. All our members. We're a community. Yes, I know there's the feeling of there being a sort of distinction between staff and not staff, but please, you shouldn't look at us as "different". Staff is only here because, well, a community is made out of humans and some form of organisation is needed. But in the end, staff are also .Org members, just like everybody else. Just like all other members who care for this place, staff cares.

    We don't have the illusion of holding all the wisdom in the world. Our role is to serve the community. But it's the community as a whole, all members of it, so also the non staff members, that needs to work together.

    Suggesting things and posting ideas is a good first step. Working on those ideas is the necessary second step and also the hardest part. It would be good to see all members who have time and ideas to do a bit of work too.

    We need to be a community and stick together and collectively work on this place to get somewhere. And if you need "special powers" to get your project up and running, by all means, pm one of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maltz
    2. Some kind of systematic reward for high-quality works

    Be it a story, a strategy, a discussion... the "Thank" system is actually a great existing, quantitative system, but unfortunately it is not very frequently used. Maybe we can give members some kind of ranks based on how many thanks they receive. Then the site can reward these appreciated members with mentions and previleges (and cough, responsibilities) possibly with those badges that hang below the avatar.

    A good start is to make the Thank icon a little bigger and maybe move it to somewhere more noticable.

    Is there a way to display the number of "thanks" in a thread on the forum's thread list? Then it will be equivalent to a recommendation system.
    These are good suggestions. I've been playing with a similar idea: create badges for people who did something extra. I've been playing with this idea for GR hosts, like a badge for everybody who has hosted a set number of games. Idem dito for the Throne Room. Perhaps more forms of recognition for modders, writers of AAR's, people who post guides.

    I know we have the senior member system, but perhaps that's not enough diversity.

    I also realise that some of our members don't like to see distinctions, ranks etc. That's in fact a strong argument against it. But then again, how do you motivate people to do work, for free, on some gaming site? It's nice to get recognition. It's nice to be thanked. It's nice to know people appreciate what you did. And it's only a badge. Something small. A little gesture that can make all the difference in the world.

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    3. Custom Avatar

    Allowing custom avatar up to a certain size is a good start to increase user's loyalty. I don't think it will break the theme as the users are still here to post about the game and related things. They are not here to talk about Mass Effect even though they may look like Commander Shepard. (Endorcement: And this is my favorite post on the ORG.)

    That's it for now.
    Ah, the avatars. We did a poll on that some time ago and a clear majority was in favour of keeping the current system.

    Then again, the idea is to attract new members, so why is it important what current members think. Because the current members are what make the place what it is, of course. Their opinion is valuable and we don't want to alienate the current userbase. In the end, there's no guarantee that allowing custom avatars will bring us even an inch closer to getting more popular.

    Please, let the ideas come, it's good to have food for thought. I think I'll bundle some of the ideas from this thread and put up polls about it. Don't hold back on ideas, even if you think they'll be "revolutionary" or a complete different style than the .Org style. In the end, we (and with "we" I mean all of us, all members), need to decide on our direction: keep everything as it is with the risk of this place eventually simply fading away or change some things drastically, which may mean (no guarantees, there never are) more new blood, but also losing a bit of our current identity (you can't have everything).

    I'd like to hear input from as many members as possible; new members, senior members, regular members, oldtimers, people who just signed up 5 minutes ago; everybody. Be open. Share your thoughts and no idea is too crazy.
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    I'd like to hear input from as many members as possible; new members, senior members, regular members, oldtimers, people who just signed up 5 minutes ago; everybody. Be open. Share your thoughts and no idea is too crazy.
    It is true that for a movie conest, there is a high requirement of camera/editing/music skills. Screenshot and story contests are easy in comparison. The current screenshot thread in the Shogun 2 forum has collected so many great pictures - maybe we can just pick a few dozens and let people vote on them! Then we can make a slide show of the winners completed with music and the contributor's ID.

    While the number of participants may be limited, we should still attract a good number of spectators. If we provide links of enough submissions, we are gauranteed to have visitors. The snowball will rolll and the next contest will attract more participants.

    Promotion can be done on member's level, so it does not become the ORG's aggressive advertisement strategy. We can ask members to spread the news if they happen to patronize another total war forum. I actually have done that for the current creative video contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltz View Post
    It is true that for a movie conest, there is a high requirement of camera/editing/music skills. Screenshot and story contests are easy in comparison. The current screenshot thread in the Shogun 2 forum has collected so many great pictures - maybe we can just pick a few dozens and let people vote on them! Then we can make a slide show of the winners completed with music and the contributor's ID.
    Excellent idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Maltz
    While the number of participants may be limited, we should still attract a good number of spectators. If we provide links of enough submissions, we are gauranteed to have visitors. The snowball will rolll and the next contest will attract more participants.

    Promotion can be done on member's level, so it does not become the ORG's aggressive advertisement strategy. We can ask members to spread the news if they happen to patronize another total war forum. I actually have done that for the current creative video contest.


    And thanks for trying to get this thread on the right track again
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    I check this forum for EB , apart from that it seems pretty dead, maybe you could focus on EB ?

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    Tavern is where most of the activity is, maybe focus on that...? There doesn't seem to have been any posts in the EB forum today?

    Modding and offtopic always generates more "chatter", but not necessarily more content. Modding forums in particular have lots of testing, debugging and the thrashing out and submitting of ideas going on, posting of code and screens, etc. You can easily have a twenty+ page thread between two or three people. That's not to say a modding related thread is worth less (quite the opposite if you ask me), just that it inherently generates more chatter.

    Personally I don't think the .org needs to focus on anything except Total War - everything else is a by product of that and will happen anyway.
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    The org is in desperate need of members and the greatest source for such are the new TW games. The org is based around what TW was 8-10 years ago and it catered to people that played the then TW games - this is all water under the bridge; TW games are much different in their orientation and so is their clientelle. Org's rules and tradition are to me its greatest attraction but, that's very bad news for the forum overall. That my own humble modding effort for MTW was voted mod of the year here is embarassing to say the least. As was the voting participation for the new game.

    Just-get-the-new-people-in. You don't need only veteran minded people that are more mature here. Froggy guides won't get you new people in. You need the younger lads and ladies that play newer TW as well and that may mean dropping 'quality standards' where those are to be lowered. Mature discussions are well and good, but they won't fill in the numbers - and without people that play the games there isn't anything to discuss, nor potential new migrators at other areas of the forum.

    The problem is that the org had isolated itself for many years in order to preserve its character, to the point that new influx became so little that in the end its us and us. Unless one is from the 'old' generation its quite difficult to get the place's spirit and get into it - you'll get thrown at a corner or busted. A turning point is fast approaching and this year's awards prove that beyond any shadow of a doubt. More discussion about whether the forum should open up in case the regulars get upset will only bring the inevitable faster. As for becoming TWC copycats, its too late to worry about that - the org has already copied TWC policies/means and devices.

    Just get moving on - there is less and less time every year.
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    Firstly a friendly slap (36 here ) and congratulations to Maltz. Then...

    I think the Org is a habit; a place of return in the wide oceans of the WWW (and thereout as well). It's a community. It's about friendships, memories, debates, respect and all that. Well, to me it is! Honestly, I threw away Shogun 2 after playing the tutorial for a few hours on the enthusiastic praise of Left Eye Nine, which I couldn't cross... The only TW game I occasionally go back to is EB and the last time I launched it was about 8 months ago... TotalWar series is no more for me but the ORG isn't just about TotalWar.

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    @Axalon:

    Quote Originally Posted by Andres View Post
    Please, let the ideas come, it's good to have food for thought. I think I'll bundle some of the ideas from this thread and put up polls about it. Don't hold back on ideas, even if you think they'll be "revolutionary" or a complete different style than the .Org style. In the end, we (and with "we" I mean all of us, all members), need to decide on our direction: keep everything as it is with the risk of this place eventually simply fading away or change some things drastically, which may mean (no guarantees, there never are) more new blood, but also losing a bit of our current identity (you can't have everything).

    I'd like to hear input from as many members as possible; new members, senior members, regular members, oldtimers, people who just signed up 5 minutes ago; everybody. Be open. Share your thoughts and no idea is too crazy.
    So yeah, feel free to post your thoughts. Small things, major changes, crazy stuff, it doesn't matter, I want to hear it. I want to hear the community where both you and I are part of.

    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    The org is in desperate need of members and the greatest source for such are the new TW games. The org is based around what TW was 8-10 years ago and it catered to people that played the then TW games - this is all water under the bridge; TW games are much different in their orientation and so is their clientelle. Org's rules and tradition are to me its greatest attraction but, that's very bad news for the forum overall. That my own humble modding effort for MTW was voted mod of the year here is embarassing to say the least. As was the voting participation for the new game.

    Just-get-the-new-people-in. You don't need only veteran minded people that are more mature here. Froggy guides won't get you new people in. You need the younger lads and ladies that play newer TW as well and that may mean dropping 'quality standards' where those are to be lowered. Mature discussions are well and good, but they won't fill in the numbers - and without people that play the games there isn't anything to discuss, nor potential new migrators at other areas of the forum.

    The problem is that the org had isolated itself for many years in order to preserve its character, to the point that new influx became so little that in the end its us and us. Unless one is from the 'old' generation its quite difficult to get the place's spirit and get into it - you'll get thrown at a corner or busted. A turning point is fast approaching and this year's awards prove that beyond any shadow of a doubt. More discussion about whether the forum should open up in case the regulars get upset will only bring the inevitable faster. As for becoming TWC copycats, its too late to worry about that - the org has already copied TWC policies/means and devices.

    Just get moving on - there is less and less time every year.
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    How dare you? I'm talking what the Org is and what it needs to do in order to improve. Seems you Org Members can't even read my posts carefully! Disgraceful, I say, disgraceful. CAN YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE?? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? And, no, I was not angry in my post! And don't you tell me to calm down, It's perfectly safe to read my post!
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    I am having monastery flashbacks.
    Because you never accepted anything of my opinion. So do have one.

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    I know, right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout View Post
    How dare you? I'm talking what the Org is and what it needs to do in order to improve. Seems you Org Members can't even read my posts carefully! Disgraceful, I say, disgraceful. CAN YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE?? CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? And, no, I was not angry in my post! And don't you tell me to calm down, It's perfectly safe to read my post!

    This issue is deeper than you think. You see, we have two websites, the org and the twc, and I can technically read both, but how am I supposed to find the time to read both? I suppose I could go through all the posts, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "this website is better". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a ranking of the totalwar websites. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

    Of course, you might think that sacrificing that bit of time is meaningless to you because you don't know me, which is of course is a discourse suggesting you can decide who deserves respect (ie who you would spend a bit of time telling information to save them time) and who doesn't deserve respect. In this case you are deciding I don't deserve respect

    This is called elitism. It has been done for centuries, and in hindsight, it is always wrong. It is wrong to enslave people, it is wrong to oppress women, it is wrong to not help the poor, is it wrong to make people "serfs", it is wrong to discriminate based on race, on age, whatever.

    And we are still fighting it today. People come around like Thomas Jefferson, Adolf Hitler, and many others, and say "I know who deserves respect, and who doesn't". For 6,000 years elitism has never been right.

    The opposite of elitism, and the only other discourse is liberalism (the label liberalism and elitism don't mean anything, I just use them because I think they fit best, you can use whatever label). Liberals believe in two principles, #1 that we should expand the rights of those recognized as people, and #2 that we should expand who is a recognized person.

    Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

    So, we can conclude only one thing, I have to question whether you and the other twcers as a whole are Christians/Liberals, since they are one in the same. Because what you say, what the twc people are as a whole, what happens in many threads and discussions between non-members and member is elitism. Look at this thread, as one example, but there is many more on the the forum right now.


    You see, we have these statements against me, of which elitists will claim are jokes. But you don't take serious arguements as jokes, unless you don't respect them. Obviously my arguement wasn't respected, which is fine if you don't believe everyone deserves respect in every scenario, and if you believe you can pick and choose who deserves respect, which is the definition of an elitist.

    So let us find out if this arguement gets respect. Will it be deleted because think they can judge? Will acin make jokes about it? Will people start hating each other? I feel it now "oh some stupid religious guy is trying to tell us how to act..."

    I'm not allowed to judge you, or be the judge, because liberals and Christians respect everyone. But at the same time, I have an obligation, as a Christian and a liberal, to question you actions, so, are you a liberal, or are you an elitist? Now this does not mean I think I'm perfect, and only I can judge, I'm simply stating no one can judge, lets all be nice all the time to everyone. Now God knows I don't do this, but I try, and I admit when I haven't done this, which is all Jesus asks.

    So do you think you can judge, are you God? Because what I'm going to find out soon enough, is if I deserve respect, which is a reflection of whether or not you are an elitist. So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    Woah dude
    What?

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    I actually moved from TWC to the Org.

    I like it here, it may not be as active, but the people are nicer and the debates are nice to watch, as well as the TR and GR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    I actually moved from TWC to the Org.

    I like it here, it may not be as active, but the people are nicer and the debates are nice to watch, as well as the TR and GR.
    The People here aren't nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash View Post
    I actually moved from TWC to the Org.

    I like it here, it may not be as active, but the people are nicer and the debates are nice to watch, as well as the TR and GR.
    me too i moved here from the twc

    to the .org because they have permantly exhiled me although i kinda deserved it now that i had a few chances to look over my past posts there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    This issue is deeper than you think. You see, we have two websites, the org and the twc, and I can technically read both, but how am I supposed to find the time to read both? I suppose I could go through all the posts, but this would be a meaningless waste of time, when someone could just say "this website is better". So that would be the nice thing to do, because it would be you helping me, saving me a lot of time, by sacrificing only a little bit of your own time. So it would be nice, once it is released for someone to give me a ranking of the totalwar websites. Somehow I don't think that will happen. Perhaps am I wrong, and I hope I am.

    Of course, you might think that sacrificing that bit of time is meaningless to you because you don't know me, which is of course is a discourse suggesting you can decide who deserves respect (ie who you would spend a bit of time telling information to save them time) and who doesn't deserve respect. In this case you are deciding I don't deserve respect

    This is called elitism. It has been done for centuries, and in hindsight, it is always wrong. It is wrong to enslave people, it is wrong to oppress women, it is wrong to not help the poor, is it wrong to make people "serfs", it is wrong to discriminate based on race, on age, whatever.

    And we are still fighting it today. People come around like Thomas Jefferson, Adolf Hitler, and many others, and say "I know who deserves respect, and who doesn't". For 6,000 years elitism has never been right.

    The opposite of elitism, and the only other discourse is liberalism (the label liberalism and elitism don't mean anything, I just use them because I think they fit best, you can use whatever label). Liberals believe in two principles, #1 that we should expand the rights of those recognized as people, and #2 that we should expand who is a recognized person.

    Liberalism simply says one thing, respect and love everyone equally. If you believe that you should respect and love everyone equally, that no one, no matter they believe, deserves to be disrespected, and treated poorly, than you are a liberal, and you are a Christian by definition. I shouldn't get too deep into the Christian piece, because so many pervert what Jesus did, but it makes it eaiser to illustrate how you are not supposed to judge. Christians (those who are a Christian based on deeds, not labels) don't judge, just like liberals don't judge. Christians confess their sins, and try to do the right thing. Liberals admit when they make a mistake, apologize, and try to do the right thing Liberals and Christians are one in the same.

    So, we can conclude only one thing, I have to question whether you and the other twcers as a whole are Christians/Liberals, since they are one in the same. Because what you say, what the twc people are as a whole, what happens in many threads and discussions between non-members and member is elitism. Look at this thread, as one example, but there is many more on the the forum right now.


    You see, we have these statements against me, of which elitists will claim are jokes. But you don't take serious arguements as jokes, unless you don't respect them. Obviously my arguement wasn't respected, which is fine if you don't believe everyone deserves respect in every scenario, and if you believe you can pick and choose who deserves respect, which is the definition of an elitist.

    So let us find out if this arguement gets respect. Will it be deleted because think they can judge? Will acin make jokes about it? Will people start hating each other? I feel it now "oh some stupid religious guy is trying to tell us how to act..."

    I'm not allowed to judge you, or be the judge, because liberals and Christians respect everyone. But at the same time, I have an obligation, as a Christian and a liberal, to question you actions, so, are you a liberal, or are you an elitist? Now this does not mean I think I'm perfect, and only I can judge, I'm simply stating no one can judge, lets all be nice all the time to everyone. Now God knows I don't do this, but I try, and I admit when I haven't done this, which is all Jesus asks.

    So do you think you can judge, are you God? Because what I'm going to find out soon enough, is if I deserve respect, which is a reflection of whether or not you are an elitist. So, will I get the list, or will I be denied because of who I am?
    erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are! What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff? You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout View Post
    erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are! What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff? You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!
    So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro View Post
    So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical
    I'm not American. I'm proud to be French!

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    So you are elitist. Let me guess, you're American? Typical
    I STRONGLY OBJECT TO YOU CALLING AMERICANS TYPICAL wait wait why is everything in all caps?

    I sincerely apologize. I don't know why I did that, it makes it seem like I was shouting for absurd reasons. Don't I feel the fool.

    DON'T I? ANSWER THE QUESTION!

    Wait, why am I ordering you around like I'm the boss?

    My goodness, I'm so ashamed. If I were capable of shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout View Post
    erm... are you giving a lecture on me about God???????? I don't even know who you are!
    Can you not even read his post properly? He's Sasaki Kojiro. It even says so right above that jolly looking fellow who tells you which rule to remember.

    What is this crap about elitism and all that stuff?
    A deep, and profound question. What is?

    To be, to come into being, to become....

    What is crap, but the excrement of horses and pigs and donkeys and even people, but not necessarily in that order, and no preference given, unless you are a farmer?

    When did it become? Through what process did the crap strain and squeeze into being? And was it necessarily made, as some religious people suggest, or did it come into being through a process of self-actualization?

    As a non-elite myself, I struggle to comprehend the process of being and becoming. Being and becoming. It is beyond me. That is the primary reason why I cannot go to Total War Center, where I moderate a section. It's too foreign to me, and as an American, I have issues with foreigner. yet strangely, am also quite Hot Blooded.

    This entire debate is actually (or self-actually) giving me a fever of approximately one hundred and three degrees.

    On an unrelated note, I want to discuss what you're doing after this thread. Just between you and me.

    You Org people can't even read a post properly! Outrageous I say, Outrageous!
    No, good sir, I am afraid I cannot. Particularly because I am a non-Elite.

    I propose that you and I form a club dedicated to the exclusion and oppression of the Elites, regardless of whether or not it might actually be a pretty cool name for a band. If they have any records, I propose we burn them. (Do records burn, or are they more melty? If they are the latter, we might melt them as one would a grilled cheese sandwizard. [I don't like witches, they frighten me, even though the so-called popular culture has tried to make them more likeable, what with Sabrina the teenaged one being irresistibly tempting. How dare you, Melissa Joan Hart, I liked you better when you explained it all.] This is a rather long parenthetical statement, so I must truncate it)

    Where was I? Yes, I was discussing the burning of elitist records. But I will require your assistance in reading said records before we burn them, por Favre.

    Can you help me, and the rest of You Org people?

    (Also, is You Org kind of like Sea Org? And is that sort of like Sea World? [so we don't bush and musithians!?!?!])
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    Ah I see. There is a way around to show custom pictures.

    (1) Upload a custom "Profile Picture".
    (2) Go to settings and click off "show avatar" and click "on" for show profile picture.

    The user will be able to see their custom profile picture (and everyone else's custom profile picture) instead of the avatars. But I guess for other users they will still see the more standardized avatars.

    It would be nice if we combine the two into one (Profile picture = Avatar). People can choose to upload their own profile picture, or pick one from the existing choices that they like.

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    For custom avatars, I have an idea of making them less of a visual hazard.

    (1) Standard size. For example, it has to be 100 x 120 pixels, or whatever size the current avatars are having. The uploaded picture will be cropped (good) or stretched (not as good) to fit the standard size if they are not the right size.

    AND

    (2) Frames. All avatar pictures fit into a frame that is consistent with the ORG's theme. It might be possible to choose from a few pre-designed frames.

    Not sure whether it is difficult to do technically.

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    On topic, wiki's can generate a lot of traffic, and I believe that if the Org Wiki is improved and developed more people should start turning up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Louis-Nicolas Davout View Post
    The only unformulated problem is that is this an Amercian website, I don't mean to be offensive here, And here they talk a lot about the points of view from Amercians only. Any different view is simply not accepted.
    That's a rather odd statement, considering that over the last 8+ years the head admins of the site have all been Europeans.
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