The Elephant in the room.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

[Fragony]

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

Make no mistake about these rapes it is a huge problem there. You are saver in Africa as a blond hot chick.

[rvg]

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's what 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

[Beskar]

what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

Agreed, but racism doesn't call for more racism in return. That is the only objection from me in this thread. On the part about integration, I believe you already know my views on this, as for my preference of an open/assimilation society, to quote a historian speaking about Rome. "You have all these people coming here, bringing with them new ideas and customs, all these are effectively consumed by Roman society, taking bits and pieces then spitting out what is effectively Roman".

I have also been on the receiving end of such racism before seven years ago when I was dating a Greek girl, she was forced by her father to break the relationship since I wasn't a "Good Greek Boy".

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

Not quite - Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more. If you look up the actual quote, the subtext is "you can sleep with white girls, not marry them".

The point is that even in a moderate Indian household you have the same thinking - white girls are there to be used for fun, your own people aren't.

White girls are whores, because that's what a whore is, isn't ti - a woman you use for sex?

[rvg]

...Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more.

Perhaps that's what White parents need to do as well. Otherwise, it's just a reflection of reality: it's easier to get a White girl in bed as opposed to an Indian girl.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Perhaps that's what White parents need to do as well. Otherwise, it's just a reflection of reality: it's easier to get a White girl in bed as opposed to an Indian girl.

Got any stats on that?

You think Indian/Pakistani girls don't sneek out like white girls did 20-30 years ago?

[rvg]

Got any stats on that?

You think Indian/Pakistani girls don't sneek out like white girls did 20-30 years ago?

There's a huge difference between the White girls of today and the White girls of 30 years ago. The Indian girls of today might very well be like the White girls of 30 years ago. The problem is that the White girls of today aren't what they used to be.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

There's a huge difference between the White girls of today and the White girls of 30 years ago. The Indian girls of today might very well be like the White girls of 30 years ago. The problem is that the White girls of today aren't what they used to be.

You mean they no longer pretend to be virgins?

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

[rvg]

You mean they no longer pretend to be virgins?

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

Shocked or not, it doesn't help their reputation.

[Ja'chyra]

What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore? Or maybe just gets a bad rep?

Shame on anyone who thinks this, she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind. "Let he without sin" to quote another useless, in my mind and without wanting to cause offend to those who believe, religion.

[rvg]

What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore?

To some people, absolutely.

...she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind.

Sluts are also doing what they want with their bodies. They're still sluts though.

[Ja'chyra]

To some people, absolutely.


Sluts are also doing what they want with their bodies. They're still sluts though.

Small minded bigotry

[rvg]

Small minded bigotry

No, just truth.

[Vladimir]

Okay. It looks like productive conversation has come to an end.

[rory_20_uk]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

[rvg]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

Yes, looks like the British have become too civilized to defend themselves.

[Strike For The South]

No, just truth.

No, it's blaming the rape victims for not being pure enough.

It's shaming girls for an act that we exalt boys for

By your definition of slut, 90% of fathers instruct their sons to be sluts

I don't know why I am surprised. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Strike For The South]

Last time I checked rape is still a crime

The cops should be sacked and replaced with those whom wish to execute their duties

We can start their and worry about other things later.

This conversation ocilates between "blame those sluts" to "blame those muslims" I say we enforce our laws and be done with it.

[Kralizec]

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating...

I only just read about this today, but the only thing I've come across so far that suggests this is a former Labour PM making that accusation.

[ajaxfetish]

[linguistic aside]

irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

A bold attempt, but not quite original. The Corpus of Contemporary American includes two instances of corruptee:

• In order to have corruption in these unions, you need a corrupter and a corruptee -- we were the former and UNOC was the latter.
• There is a corrupter and a corruptee involved in every bribe, and developed nations need to take the issue more seriously

And Google returns an estimate of 23,300 hits for "corruptee." Small, but present nonetheless.

[/linguistic aside]

Ajax

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore? Or maybe just gets a bad rep?

Shame on anyone who thinks this, she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind. "Let he without sin" to quote another useless, in my mind and without wanting to cause offend to those who believe, religion.

You quoted it, so it's not useless - you obviously think the lesson should be taken on board.

Does it matter that these men are Muslims? I don't know, Muslims are Christians or "post Christians" - they have a different concept of morality, social behaviour, and most importantly Sin.

A Christian would say that no matter the Sin someone has committed, you shold not Sin against them - and that all Sins are equally painful for God. The motif in Islam is the older "scale" where your sins are weighed.

No, it's blaming the rape victims for not being pure enough.

It's shaming girls for an act that we exalt boys for

By your definition of slut, 90% of fathers instruct their sons to be sluts

I don't know why I am surprised. Stupid is as stupid does.

rvg presumably doesn't have any daughters, sisters, or cousins.

You are absolutely right though - it takes two to tango and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[rvg]

rvg presumably doesn't have any daughters, sisters, or cousins.

You are absolutely right though - it takes two to tango and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

You're wrong, of course.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think people exaggerate the double standard on that stuff.

[HoreTore]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

[Viking]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

[HoreTore]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

[Greyblades]

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

[Viking]

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

Pedo is aiming pre-puberty aka ages ~11-12 and younger, and such people tend operate in very different ways; and the nature of the crime is also naturally different. Can't say I am familiar with the concept of abuse rings of teenagers, though; sounds more like something that has to do with human trafficking, which this case hasn't.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

The fantasy of the local Pakistani PC?

What about the man from Bernado's who says Pakistani/Asian men are over-represented as abusers?