The Elephant in the room.

**InsaneApache** · 05-13-2012, 14:19

Originally Posted by HoreTore

If you can find a way to keep only the "bad" immigrants out, while letting all the "good" ones in, I'll be your campaign manager, believe me.

As such a thing seems impossible, however, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep the many responsible for the actions of the few.

As an illustration of how ridiculous IA's emotional appeal is, consider the alternative version. Find a happy family, preferably with half a dozen children, where one parents is a native and the other an immigrant. Take a picture of the children with eyes like only innocent children can have, and add a text underneath that goes something along the lines of this:

"If you restrict immigration, my mommy and poppy would never have found love and happiness. I would not exist. Why, Mr. right-winger, don't you want children like me to be born and live a happy life?"

In short, a really, really low cheap shot.

The point is that these immigrants were not investigated properly for fear of committing offence. THAT is a direct result of left driven political correctness. If the police hadn't been kowtowed they would have done their job properly regardless of skin colour and creed.

Still find it ridiculous?

**HoreTore** · 05-13-2012, 14:25

Originally Posted by InsaneApache

The point is that these immigrants were not investigated properly for fear of committing offence. THAT is a direct result of left driven political correctness. If the police hadn't been kowtowed they would have done their job properly regardless of skin colour and creed.

Still find it ridiculous?

The point is that that particular accusation is a paranoid delusion without basis in reality.

The fact is that the police caught them, they were convicted and they were given a harsher sentence because of the culture you claim the police are forced to protect.

**InsaneApache** · 05-13-2012, 14:35

Originally Posted by HoreTore

The point is that that particular accusation is a paranoid delusion without basis in reality.

The fact is that the police caught them, they were convicted and they were given a harsher sentence because of the culture you claim the police are forced to protect.

Nope. Reality.

There have been reports of this sort of behaviour for years. Nothing was done about it and it was swept under the carpet. A Labour MP raised concerns about the lack of action five years or more ago in the House of Commons. There was a police investigation in Leeds earlier in the last decade that was quietly dropped.

Reality? Are you sure what it is?

**HoreTore** · 05-13-2012, 14:39

Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Nope. Reality.

There have been reports of this sort of behaviour for years. Nothing was done about it and it was swept under the carpet. A Labour MP raised concerns about the lack of action five years or more ago in the House of Commons. There was a police investigation in Leeds earlier in the last decade that was quietly dropped.

Reality? Are you sure what it is?

How many times do I have to repeat the fact that these men were caught, sentenced and given additional penalty because of their "culture"?

**InsaneApache** · 05-13-2012, 14:45

They were allowed to get away with it for years.

Reverse the roles.

A gang of BNP skinheads went around 'grooming' young asian lasses, plying them with drink and passing them around like a bong. Do you really believe that nothing would be done for the best part of a decade?

A chance to stop the gang was missed in 2008 by the police and the Crown Prosecution Service who have apologised for failings. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is spearheading an investigation into the botched inquiry.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...jail-1-4531005

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-13-2012, 14:55

Originally Posted by HoreTore

How many times do I have to repeat the fact that these men were caught, sentenced and given additional penalty because of their "culture"?

The issue was first raised in 2002, a report was passed to the Police in 2005 - they were not arrested until 2010, no operation was underway to investigate the issue until 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-to-act.html

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18005266

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17853560

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sentenced.html

There is an IPCC investigation on-going, this is an acknowledged issue now.

While we're here, let's look at this guy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-abusers.html

He says it's a cultural problem - and presumably he's qualified to offer that opinion - but he also says it's not about religion or Pakistani culture - it's about how they see white girls.

**HoreTore** · 05-13-2012, 15:10

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-13-2012, 15:14

Originally Posted by HoreTore

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

I dissagree - your paradigm is flawed, because abuse that happened 30 years ago was covered up because that was the "done" thing - the institional abuse in Plymouth at a toddler group was acted on relatively swiftly once it was discovered - not after a decade or so.

**InsaneApache** · 05-13-2012, 16:00

Originally Posted by HoreTore

That is, unfortunately, how sexual abuse is usually handled. They usually takes years, this case is rather normal. In cases involving minors, the norm is that nothing is done until the victims are well into their 20's, if indeed anything ever happens.

Thetheory about being overly sensitive to culture is simply an explanation which fits an existing negative view on immigrants, nothing more.

Water under the bridge.

The police didn't want to investigate in case fingers were wagged and pointed with accusations of racism. It's been like this since the Macpherson report. Probably the most damaging rotten report ever commissioned by Parliament. The idea that racism is in your head and not that of the other is Kafkaesque.

**Kralizec** · 05-13-2012, 21:13

Originally Posted by InsaneApache

There have been reports of this sort of behaviour for years. Nothing was done about it and it was swept under the carpet. A Labour MP raised concerns about the lack of action five years or more ago in the House of Commons.?

And again: the only source for the accusation is Ann Cryer's words, and they were recently uttered apparently.