Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
Their ideology is pragmatism.
Although Labour's position could be viewed as more coherant, that is because they have traditionally chosen a monolithic approach where internal dissent was effectively crushed. THe idiology there appears to be that failing of spending money only indicates that they didn't borrow enough to spend.
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Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
Politics doesn't stop with budgetary decisions.Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Their ideology is pragmatism.
Although Labour's position could be viewed as more coherant, that is because they have traditionally chosen a monolithic approach where internal dissent was effectively crushed. THe idiology there appears to be that failing of spending money only indicates that they didn't borrow enough to spend.
Gay marriage is a good example. It came as something of a surprise that Cameron embraced the idea, given his own voting record. While I would support it, many voters probably were under the assumption that the Tories are against it and would remain so. "I support gay marriage because I'm a conservative" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard in politics.
Tories can be just as unforgiving to internal dissent as Labour. Not so with the gay marriage thing or Cameron's decision not to hold an EU referendum - neither are popular with his own base, and he's not a particulary strong leader to begin with. Or at least that's my impression.
Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
Not wanting to derail the thread.
Once and for all you can't 'marry' someone of the same gender. The definition of marriage is a state of matrimony between a man and a woman.
Call it what you want but it aint marriage. Unless you're Humpty Dumpty talking to Alice.
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
The EU was awarded the Noble Peace Prize.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19921072
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There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
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Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
Extrapolating from some recent winners, I guess continental war is about 10 years away then.
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Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
That just depends on where you are. In Dutch 'huwelijk' is the legal relationship between two people. The translation for the word is marriage. That most countries only allow marriages between men/women doesn't change the fact that you can still call same-sex marriages a marriage if these are allowed under your own law.
(Besides even Oxford online gives me the result of "(in some jurisdictions) a union between partners of the same sex."
Re: The continuing battle against the inevitable Euro area default
I'm pretty sure that when the Dutch were about to introduce gay marriage people used the same argument as IA. It's a circular argument though - marriage (right now) is an instutition between a man and a woman, so we can't go to a situation where it also applies to man/man or woman/woman couples.
As IA said it's off topic though. The reason I brought it up was because Cameron wants to introduce it and in doing so probably dissapointed some Tory voters, which is what you get from a party that doesn't want to pin itself on an ideological framework. Incidentally that was off topic, too.
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I completely changed my opinion on it, I used to see it as hostile activism, now that it's here I am kinda proud of it. Things change and so do I.
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