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    Quote Originally Posted by Hax View Post
    Besides, football is haram.
    Fatwas are awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Fatwas are awesome.
    It's a problem when you draw your reality from faith. You tend to come to the wrong conclusions. Logic and reason have no place in temples, mosques and churches. As a courtesy, we ask that god botherers keep their faith out of law, government, health care, and most of the stuff that matters.
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    As a courtesy, we ask that god botherers keep their faith out of law, government, health care, and most of the stuff that matters.
    How'd that go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    It's a problem when you draw your reality from faith. You tend to come to the wrong conclusions. Logic and reason have no place in temples, mosques and churches. As a courtesy, we ask that god botherers keep their faith out of law, government, health care, and most of the stuff that matters.
    Would you debate me 1v1 who has faith atheist or christian? also who can defend there position logically christian or atheist. Or even, what government would be better atheist or christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Would you debate me 1v1 who has faith atheist or christian? also who can defend there position logically christian or atheist. Or even, what government would be better atheist or christian.
    To what end? I haven't seen any sign of you doing anything other than pushing your own set of beliefs. And within those beliefs I've seen little that appeals.
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    To what end? I haven't seen any sign of you doing anything other than pushing your own set of beliefs. And within those beliefs I've seen little that appeals.
    to see if your statement is true, you made a very big claim i feel, I want you to back it up in debate. The object would not be for me to agree with you, it would be to show your claims false. You would try to show them true.

    Also I have seen nothing of your to support your claim, or any reason to think you wish to change your opinion, or even debate your statement. But in fact that is best, I like to show people [athiest] believe what they do in spite of the evidence.
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    Yeah, just go to Port-au-Prince or Somalia. Loads of evidence there.
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    atheism is a belief”: Nope. It is contradiction in term. A non-smoker is not a smoker who smokes nothing. A dead is not a person who is not living. A belief is based on something, not of an absence of something. I do not believe there is no god because I have a book or something to tell me to do so. I don’t believe in a god because there is an absence of god(s). The sky or Hell is empty.
    Atheism is a lack of belief. An atheist can perfectly doubt of the Bing Bang Theory or evolution, or how life came on Earth. He/she has just to say he/she hasn’t an answer for this. I even think than an atheist can believe in an afterlife if he/she wants, as this is still not a proof of god(s). If a thinking caterpillar asks to itself if there is a life after death, in this case, the answer is yes (well, the caterpillar is not really dead…). But god(s) has nothing to do with this, but evolution yes…

    The distortion of words by the believers to put atheism as belief is just to try to equal the two processes. One (faith in god) is based on imagination and hope/fear. The other is based on the facts experimented on daily basis than there is no god(s). There are no acts of god(s). With or without god(s), Humans experiment the same things, bad or good. Atheist will survive cancer, believers not and vice versa, randomly.
    Now, I believe in the Theory of Chaos. I believe because I have no logical explanation to back-up this. It is based on nothing, and it gives me comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    to see if your statement is true, you made a very big claim i feel, I want you to back it up in debate. The object would not be for me to agree with you, it would be to show your claims false. You would try to show them true.

    Also I have seen nothing of your to support your claim, or any reason to think you wish to change your opinion, or even debate your statement. But in fact that is best, I like to show people [athiest] believe what they do in spite of the evidence.
    You can't discover if a statement is true from debate. All you can do is discover if you are a convincing debater.

    What was the statement you wanted to discuss Btw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    You can't discover if a statement is true from debate. All you can do is discover if you are a convincing debater.

    What was the statement you wanted to discuss Btw?

    we can discover if you can back up your own statement.

    Originally Posted by Idaho
    It's a problem when you draw your reality from faith. You tend to come to the wrong conclusions. Logic and reason have no place in temples, mosques and churches. As a courtesy, we ask that god botherers keep their faith out of law, government, health care, and most of the stuff that matters.

    so I asked you
    Would you debate me 1v1 who has faith atheist or christian? also who can defend there position logically christian or atheist. Or even, what government would be better atheist or christian.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1

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