Is Islam true?.

[Sigurd]

So because i have bad grammar? I will wait for support for the rest, to point out logical fallacies and how arbitrary you are. But by all means, never debate content lol.

Sorry M8, your content is all over the place and hard to follow, besides it introduces a lot of strawmen because you blatantly plagiarize other people's stuff - which are really answers to comments that we didn't make.


I could just load my auto text generator with Argumentum ad Ignorantium, Argumentum ad Lapidem, Argumentum ad Verecundiam (some authority persons in your links aren't really authority figures on those subjects), Ignoratio Elenchi (for your copy paste of other's remarks), Reductio ad absurdum (to prove a document’s originality despite its non-existence), Various Strawmen and finally Argumentum ad Neuseam.
If by chance you would actually write the stuff you debate, this would be interesting. Right now, this is not much more than a bot – selecting random relevant stuff on the web as answers to our comments. It displays a bit of disrespect for the person you debate, and show that you don’t really read or possibly understand what is being discussed.

[LeftEyeNine]

Hello there,

For forewords, I could be counted a not-really-much-practicing Muslim who is, as most of other believers are, Muslim (or christian or jew etc.) from birth due to the social surrounding I was raised in. I am not fond of religious people -at least of those in Turkey- who are generally imposing their beliefs and practices upon you from under the shield called "Islam".

So, here is the bottomline (of my post that does not really have any serious context already):

If one argues a celestial religion to be better than the other, he/she is archaic. His/her thoughts need to be discarded ASAP for all he could ignite is either fanaticism among his friends, or anger towards whom he/she dissents religiously. No compromise has EVER been yielded from "my x is longer than yours" kind of approach. Therefore, if one pursues such ideal, he/she should be shown the door, or the window for a better view.

Should some Muslim with the alias DudeI'mTotallyAllahuAkbarred come around and inquire the "truth of Christianism" over a pro-Islamic agenda, copy/paste what I've written upon his face too. We have far worse problems already that is threatening our welfare, peace and environment. Thank you with your Arabic/Arahmic/blablaic babblings however I got better things to do -I should have got better things to do.

Let "faith" be shelved up to where it belongs -between you and your God- not in front of anybody's nose.

[total relism]

Hello there,

For forewords, I could be counted a not-really-much-practicing Muslim who is, as most of other believers are, Muslim (or christian or jew etc.) from birth due to the social surrounding I was raised in. I am not fond of religious people -at least of those in Turkey- who are generally imposing their beliefs and practices upon you from under the shield called "Islam".

So, here is the bottomline (of my post that does not really have any serious context already):

If one argues a celestial religion to be better than the other, he/she is archaic. His/her thoughts need to be discarded ASAP for all he could ignite is either fanaticism among his friends, or anger towards whom he/she dissents religiously. No compromise has EVER been yielded from "my x is longer than yours" kind of approach. Therefore, if one pursues such ideal, he/she should be shown the door, or the window for a better view.

Should some Muslim with the alias DudeI'mTotallyAllahuAkbarred come around and inquire the "truth of Christianism" over a pro-Islamic agenda, copy/paste what I've written upon his face too. We have far worse problems already that is threatening our welfare, peace and environment. Thank you with your Arabic/Arahmic/blablaic babblings however I got better things to do -I should have got better things to do.

Let "faith" be shelved up to where it belongs -between you and your God- not in front of anybody's nose.

I cant help but notice, you seem to be sure that anyone who aparentley believes there beliefs to be true [me christian] are dangerous and should not have those beliefs. yet you yourself carry the belief that you are correct that no one belief is true. So you therefore should according to you, disregard your belief [that no one true belief is true] as soon as possible.


But I have to ask you, what makes two contradictory beliefs equally true? koran/bible? I say logically that is impossible, they can both not be true, or one can be, but they both cannot be. Neither can they be equally untrue, one has to be more untrue that the other. Also why is "anger" and "fanaticism " bad in your view? you seem more unwilling to change your opinion, than any Muslim i have met on forums. But you seem to offer a "better view" I would love to here this better view of yours, I will than show you only think it better based solely on your beliefs.

I dont see any reason why a Muslim should not start a thread attacking Christianity and i am christian you are not, yet you see problem. My guess you dont think there is such a thing a truth, well some of us do and we want to believe what is true, not what "feels good" or makes us happy.

I like these quotes off a christian site that has 100 of debates christian/Muslim.

"Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate." ~Hubert Humphrey

"It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it." ~Joseph Joubert

"For in the absence of debate unrestricted utterance leads to the degradation of opinion. By a kind of Greshams law the more rational is overcome by the less rational, and the opinions that will prevail will be those which are held most ardently by those with the most passionate will. For that reason the freedom to speak can never be maintained merely by objecting to interference with the liberty of the press, of printing, of broadcasting, of the screen. It can be maintained only by promoting debate." ~Walter Lippmann




Let your beliefs you have been posted be between you and your liberal friends. No just kidding I like decent/debate. Thoe i find your post illogical and self contradictory.

[LeftEyeNine]

I cant help but notice, you seem to be sure that anyone who aparentley believes there beliefs to be true [me christian] are dangerous and should not have those beliefs. yet you yourself carry the belief that you are correct that no one belief is true. So you therefore should according to you, disregard your belief [that no one true belief is true] as soon as possible.

Since the rest of your post relies on this false assertion of yours, I'll only be replying to that.

Stating, on the hard facts, that pro-xism implemented via doubting "y"ism is an archaic way of thinking which only leads to fanaticism among "x"ists or anger from the despised "y"ists is a fact. It's not something I "believe", it's something I can only see throughout world's past, or in the town I'm living in.

Believing Christianism/Xism/Yism to be true is..well..belief. No faith is true since one who believes tends to ignore the skeptic thinking behind the systematic in question. That's why it's not called "classic physics" or "2 as a consequence of 1 plus 1", it's in faith's nature to skip every other rationalist thought which eventually makes you feel better in a way you're obliged or found out yourself.

Facts and beliefs. I'm not here to argue in semantics.

[total relism]

Believing Christianism/Xism/Yism to be true is..well..belief. No faith is true since one who believes tends to ignore the skeptic thinking behind the systematic in question. That's why it's not called "classic physics" or "2 as a consequence of 1 plus 1", it's in faith's nature to skip every other rationalist thought which eventually makes you feel better in a way you're obliged or found out yourself.

Facts and beliefs. I'm not here to argue in semantics.

As i sated last post, everything you say/claim relies on christianity/Islam being false. I think that needs to be shown and not assumed. Do you truly believe the atheist does not ignore facts? or does not believe in thing that are not rational or even the unseen ? I can show you more than a few [assuming your atheist]. I would say from myself, the facts led me to belief in god and away from agnostic. But your first post I responded to, was more of why attack other beliefs etc. As I stated if truth is real, than people after truth should debate discuses different beliefs, in fact if they cared for others under false beliefs, they should try to help/show there beliefs false. Also that you are doing the very thing [in first post] you say people should not do, tell others what to or what they can cant do believe etc. Lastley I see many reasons a atheist would reject god to "feel" good, and many reasons to not want to believe in a god to "feel" good, as I once did.

[total relism]

New debate



sami Zaatari vs. David Wood: Is Islam a Threat to Society?
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/

[LeftEyeNine]

As I said every belief HAS to have its flaws in terms of reasonability. An agnostic would argue that defying the existence of god, hence the very fundamental of atheism, is impossible for the existence or non-existence of such deity could not be determined.

[Kadagar_AV]

As I said every belief HAS to have its flaws in terms of reasonability. An agnostic would argue that defying the existence of god, hence the very fundamental of atheism, is impossible for the existence or non-existence of such deity could not be determined.

I think You got atheism wrong... We don't defy any God more than any other. Atheists are saying that there are no evidence for a God at large, and that the different religions of the world probably got things wrong.

If you are an atheist, You also accept that science might one day prove the existence of a deity.

It's just that all the guys trying to prove the existence of a deity has failed so far. Failed quite hard, too.

[total relism]

Sorry M8, your content is all over the place and hard to follow, besides it introduces a lot of strawmen because you blatantly plagiarize other people's stuff - which are really answers to comments that we didn't make.


I could just load my auto text generator with Argumentum ad Ignorantium, Argumentum ad Lapidem, Argumentum ad Verecundiam (some authority persons in your links aren't really authority figures on those subjects), Ignoratio Elenchi (for your copy paste of other's remarks), Reductio ad absurdum (to prove a document’s originality despite its non-existence), Various Strawmen and finally Argumentum ad Neuseam.
If by chance you would actually write the stuff you debate, this would be interesting. Right now, this is not much more than a bot – selecting random relevant stuff on the web as answers to our comments. It displays a bit of disrespect for the person you debate, and show that you don’t really read or possibly understand what is being discussed.

Again, I will wait for examples to reply. Whenever i use anything off web, I leave link right there.