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    Default Re: Colorado passes Gun Control Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Actually, none of these are slippery slope fallacies. A degree is a predictable and logical progression from attending college. A job is a predictable and logical progression after school. These things do, in fact, follow one another without any insult to reason.

    The amusing thing about your paranoid fantasies about the background check bill is that you declare a national registry, which is explicitly made illegal, to be the logical conclusion/fear/dread progressing from background checks. Or rather, record-keeping. And you conveniently ignore that a bill passed in the Senate can then be negotiated with the House, and things tend to change a lot. By doing the following:

    1. chest-thumping and celebrating the undeomcratic filibuster of a bill supported by the vast majority of the population
    2. spinning a ban on a natioaal registry to mean OMG NATIONAL REGISTRY
    3. ignoring the normal process of passing a bill in two houses

    You demonstrate your fanaticism and extremism on this issue.

    Well over 2 million gun sales have been blocked since 1994 due to background checks. That means that some of those 2+ million not only were insane and/or criminal, they were too effing stupid to use one of the obvious loopholes in the background check system. But you airily assert that background checks won't help anyone.

    What a load of steaming manure. Hey, you know what? We have laws against murder, and people still get murdered! Let's get rid of those laws too! They only hurt law-abiding citizens who kill people in self-defense. Bad guys will still murder anyway.

    You call me a fanatic, I agree that I am on the larger gun issue. BUT You consistently tell me that I am against something that I am for. I advised that I backed Manchin-Toomey, even though I still had concerns about the record keeping provisions. When it was defeated, I was celebrating the larger defeat of the AWB and the fact that this current Senate made it look like the crappy idea that it is. I'm not sure of the response that you are demanding of me that is the only "credible" response that I could have. I don't like gun control, I don't think that it particularly well (crazy and terrible people still get they, so the check just stops it from being easy) or that there is any good evidence of it working vs the irritation that it creates for gun owners. This type of gun control ins't that irritating, so I could conceivably support it, not merely abstain from the argument. I have merely been advising that I would like to whittle down the proposal that I reluctantly agreed with to make it a proposal that I could say, "hey, that's not a bad idea" about.

    Give me a break with the sanctimonious character attacks. Your harping on my opposition to most gun control is not as reasonable as you think it is. Making emotional character attacks is not appropriate here as I have suggested nor supported anything unethical on this issue.
    Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 05-11-2013 at 23:10.
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