Egypt

[The Stranger]

Only total idiots believed this was an Arab-spring. Leftist intellectualoco's, wrong as usual. No you pipesmoking beardrubbers who know, for a fact, that the muslim brotherhood is moderate. The muslim-brotherhood isn't all that moderate, yes they are indeed pretty extreme, who would have thought. Army is kinda fed up with Morsi and threatens to take things over, and I think they are pretty serious about it. Arab spring, lol, back to normal. Much better. Shoot the rape-squads first for me please. Take your country back from this monster, good luck and greets from the Netherlands mia muca's

Tell us all-knowing, all-wise, Frag the Omniscient, tell us!

[Major Robert Dump]

yay for more gang rapes

[HoreTore]

Wow, what a shocker - Fragony has completely misunderstood why those intellectuals called it the Arab spring.

The revolution has begun eating its first children. Can't say I object to it, but hopefully they'll stop before they go completely France.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's happened.

"The army is currently involved in a show of force, fanning out across Cairo and taking control of the capital, BBC correspondent Quentin Sommerville reports.

He described seeing eight armoured personnel carriers heading for Cairo University in Giza, where one of the main pro-Morsi demonstrations was being held."

EDIT:

Far too early days to know exactly what happened, but I think this is the last thing Egypt needs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23161075

"Clashes broke out at rival protests across Egypt on Tuesday night, with at least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo University."

Cairo University being where the above article just said the army were headed. If all the dead are indeed on one side, that looks more like an atrocity than a combat situation.

[gaelic cowboy]

The Army has played it's cards very well an Morsi has played them badly, they can now safely remove him to pick a new leader like they did before with Morsi himself. (yes he won an election but only because he was allowed to)

The Army has always being the main force and any attempt to play silly buggers with them will fail.

[a completely inoffensive name]

As always it will be interesting to see how this develops because there is absolutely no reason for any outsiders to get involved.........right​?

[gaelic cowboy]

As always it will be interesting to see how this develops because there is absolutely no reason for any outsiders to get involved.........right​?

no there is no need it will be all over by the morning.

the interim government will declare fresh elections and the muslim brotherhood even if it wins will not cross the Army again.

[a completely inoffensive name]

no there is no need it will be all over by the morning.

the interim government will declare fresh elections and the muslim brotherhood even if it wins will not cross the Army again.

Revolutions don't end suddenly. There is a long process of compromise and democracy or a long process of extermination.

[gaelic cowboy]

Revolutions don't end suddenly. There is a long process of compromise and democracy or a long process of extermination.

there was no revolution in eygpt all that happened was the army deposed a useless administrator

[Fragony]

Wow, what a shocker - Fragony has completely misunderstood why those intellectuals called it the arab spring.

Nah, I perfectly understand that they are total idiots who will never understand that they just don't get it. Now that they were once again wrong, wrong as usual, absolute silence.

[Sarmatian]

I always support talking power from anything that has religious adjectives in the name. I'll take a secular dictator over a fundamentalist one any day.

So, I'm rooting for the army. Additionally, this may give Erdogan pause, maybe he'll be wary of his generals getting the same idea.

[The Stranger]

I always support talking power from anything that has religious adjectives in the name. I'll take a secular dictator over a fundamentalist one any day.

So, I'm rooting for the army. Additionally, this may give Erdogan pause, maybe he'll be wary of his generals getting the same idea.

What does fundamentalism even mean in this statement? Why is a ideology with a god worse than one without? Because thats about the only principal difference.

[Sarmatian]

What does fundamentalism even mean in this statement? Why is a ideology with a god worse than one without? Because thats about the only principal difference.

It's easier to deal with secular dictators as they tend to be practical. Religious fanatics tend to behave... well, like religious fanatics.

[The Stranger]

It's easier to deal with secular dictators as they tend to be practical. Religious fanatics tend to behave... well, like religious fanatics.

i doubt that, but your point is understandable.

even though I dont see why a secular dictator ala Hitler, Mao, Stalin or whatever ideology inspired dictator would be preferable to one who is inspired by a religious ideology. perhaps if by secular you mean one who is only inspired by greed, i can see concede the point.

[The Stranger]

Nah, I perfectly understand that they are total idiots who will never understand that they just don't get it. Now that they were once again wrong, wrong as usual, absolute silence.

i wonder who you mean... are there any of them in this thread?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Nah, I perfectly understand that they are total idiots who will never understand that they just don't get it. Now that they were once again wrong, wrong as usual, absolute silence.

Oh wise Fragony-san, you enrage me so much on so many matters, but I am always impressed by your ability to take a terrible situation and so quickly cut it down to a consistent philosophy of "That's islam for you."

[Fragony]

Oh wise Fragony-san, you enrage me so much on so many matters, but I am always impressed by your ability to take a terrible situation and so quickly cut it down to a consistent philosophy of "That's islam for you."

Islamism isn't islam, A difference I don't mind making. You just can't read very well if you missed me making it

[a completely inoffensive name]

Islamism isn't islam, A difference I don't mind making. You just can't read very well if you missed me making it

I went to a US public school. I can't read what I am typing right now. I am pretty sure I incorrectly comprehend everyone on here. But I will keep what you said in mind for the future.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Arrest warrants for 300 Muslim Brotherhood members issued by Army

Again, this seems like a worrying development.

[HoreTore]

Nah, I perfectly understand that they are total idiots who will never understand that they just don't get it. Now that they were once again wrong, wrong as usual, absolute silence.

No, as the term was coined because it was the first (serious attempt to) overthrow of a particular batch of dictators who had ruled nearly unopposed for half a century. That is the significance of the Arab spring, it changed the rules. Now an Arab dictator can be overthrown. Just like the French revolution isn't important because it brought about "Freedom for EveryoneTM"(it most certainly didn't), but because it changed the rules by showing that a population can overthrow and chop the heads off of Kings.

It is truly unsurprising that such insights are lost on you.

[Fragony]

No, as the term was coined because it was the first (serious attempt to) overthrow of a particular batch of dictators who had ruled nearly unopposed for half a century. That is the significance of the Arab spring, it changed the rules. Now an Arab dictator can be overthrown. Just like the French revolution isn't important because it brought about "Freedom for EveryoneTM"(it most certainly didn't), but because it changed the rules by showing that a population can overthrow and chop the heads off of Kings.

It is truly unsurprising that such insights are lost on you.

I get what it meant but it's kinda off in reality no?

[HoreTore]

I get what it meant but it's kinda off in reality no?

What?

Have not a bunch of dictators been overthrown, in the process of being overthrown or had to fight back a major attempt to overthrow him, by an opposition made up of mostly the common man(as opposed to being overthrown by rival power structures within the regime or outside agents, as has been the norm)?

Will not future dictators be aware of this, and take it into consideration, like the European monarchs did after the revolution?

The Arab spring changed the playing field in the Middle East. It was a momentous event for the region. The intellectuals were spot on, as they always are. The right-wingers are still as clueless as always.

[HopAlongBunny]

I am impressed that the "Arab Spring" has at least (so far) avoided the following "Reign of Terror".
It upsets my understanding of the dynamics of revolution...but I can live with that

[Fragony]

What?

Have not a bunch of dictators been overthrown, in the process of being overthrown or had to fight back a major attempt to overthrow him, by an opposition made up of mostly the common man(as opposed to being overthrown by rival power structures within the regime or outside agents, as has been the norm)?

Will not future dictators be aware of this, and take it into consideration, like the European monarchs did after the revolution?

The Arab spring changed the playing field in the Middle East. It was a momentous event for the region. The intellectuals were spot on, as they always are. The right-wingers are still as clueless as always.

Things only turned for the worse, army taking over in Egypt is good news for the Egyptians, it's really the only positive thing worth mentioning about this 'arab spring', at least in Egypt it won't be an islamist winter. I hope the people in Syria will be just as lucky but I doubt it. Libya is a nightmare as well. Things were much better before all this happened.

[Fragony]

Tell us all-knowing, all-wise, Frag the Omniscient, tell us!

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