responding to common objections to bible part 4

[Ironside]

read exodus 17 8-13 first. Also in early exodus as well, they attacked defenseless isreal with no military. i thought i provided verse i will look for them. Read Deuteronomy 25:17-18 as well that reflects back. .

Exodus 17 8-13 describes a field battle, where Moses' divine staff/hands gave the Israelis the morale combat advantage. The battle lasted until sunset. Did the Israeli fight with little girls armed with toothpicks? Or did they fight with the army they conquered a lot of areas with later on?

Deut 25 (a new source different from your original list) is clear that they hit the back of the Iraeli train first and probably inflicted civilian losses yeah. But they would only be defenseless if there's no rearguard at all (it was insufficient by the looks of it).

To be clear, as long as you're moving together with a group that constitutes a military threat, you're not defenseless even if you count as a civilian and the defenses around you are insufficient.

Those numbers passages speak directly to isreal being attacked first, just trying to pass through to their land and being attacked by local kings. I will post a few.

21 Israel sent messengers to say to Sihon king of the Amorites:

And Deut are very clear that the expected response would be that Sihon would attack, lose and leave his country open for the Israeli to burn down and put fear in every surrounding nation.

I can't break someone's spine in a bar fight and claim self defense, even after he threw the first punch. I really, really can't claim self defense if I'm saying that you should let me pass peacefully because I want to break the spine of that other guy, and I know for certain that you will refuse and act provoked (leaving his defenses for a field battle), throwing the first punch.

Let me go through this:

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24 “Set out now and cross the Arnon Gorge. See, I have given into your hand Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his country. Begin to take possession of it and engage him in battle.
25 This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.”

This is before the peace offer. It implies Sihon will act poorly and that the Amorites will have a bad day afterwards.

26 From the Desert of Kedemoth I sent messengers to Sihon king of Heshbon offering peace and saying,
27 “Let us pass through your country. We will stay on the main road; we will not turn aside to the right or to the left.
28 Sell us food to eat and water to drink for their price in silver. Only let us pass through on foot—

The peace offer. The one you like to quote all the time. Only from a different part, who has way less context.

29 as the descendants of Esau, who live in Seir, and the Moabites, who live in Ar, did for us—until we cross the Jordan into the land the Lord our God is giving us.”

The reason why the Israeli wants to pass. To invade someone else.

30 But Sihon king of Heshbon refused to let us pass through. For the Lord your God had made his spirit stubborn and his heart obstinate in order to give him into your hands, as he has now done.

31 The Lord said to me, “See, I have begun to deliver Sihon and his country over to you. Now begin to conquer and possess his land.”

And here we see the reason for Sihon's poor decision making. It was an intentional plan from God. And the reason was for conquest.

32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz,
33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army.

Oh look Sihon is aggressive, just as planned. Oh his entire army is destroyed, just as planned.

34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors.
35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves.

And here the result. Taking all towns and wiping out the entire Amorite population. Killing the entire population, leaving no survivors of an entire people constitutes as genocide correct?

And the reason? We had that one earlier:
25 This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.”

Ghengis Khan used this method.

TR, your list are the eqvalent of a defense layer claiming self defense, where part of the layer's evidence is a hand written note by the defendant saying "I'm going to murder him and take all his money". And that really did happen. You can't then simply ignore that note and focus on other evidence, that aren't as damning, but simply has that as a subtext.