"Rich voters continue to trend Republican, rich states trend Democratic."

**drone** · 09-05-2013, 22:21

Originally Posted by Goofball

I don't really understand. Are you saying that the GOP are the champions of the working class?

No, they are the champions of getting people to vote against their best interests.

**The Lurker Below** · 09-05-2013, 22:52

Originally Posted by drone

No, they are the champions of getting people to vote against their best interests.

There is an interesting book that will elaborate on this point if needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_...with_Kansas%3F

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 09-06-2013, 21:49

Originally Posted by drone

No, they are the champions of getting people to vote against their best interests.

Do Hollywood liberals vote against their best interests? Is someone's interests solely their pocketbook?

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 09-07-2013, 01:23

Hollywood liberals are usually ideologically motivated if they aren't monetarily motivated.

My point is that's the same for the blue collar workers too. The only difference is that the lower classes are considered racist and stupid and must be transformed into Right Thinking Citizens by their upper-middle-class progressive betters. Just as long as the progressives don't have to *interact* with those disgusting people in flyover country.

**Fisherking** · 09-07-2013, 08:18

These last four posts are great.

GH you just overlooked one point. The left supports free speech only when it agrees with them. Ideas that go against their agenda are shouted down, suppressed and ridiculed.

Neither party wants to see a free exchange of ideas.

**Beskar** · 09-07-2013, 12:36

Originally Posted by Fisherking

GH you just overlooked one point. The left supports free speech only when it agrees with them. Ideas that go against their agenda are shouted down, suppressed and ridiculed.

Neither party wants to see a free exchange of ideas.

Best way to think of it from my experiences is that the Left dislikes discriminatory language whilst the Right prefers to use discriminatory language and like you said, the left can shout them down, suppress and ridicule such people. An example would be the BNP and the Anti-Fascists. BNP sprouts some overt racist, homophobia, sexist propaganda, so the anti-fascists shout them down and ridicule them. The concept is from the idea of accepting these things into the 'debate', it legitimises the viewpoints being expressed.

**Fisherking** · 09-07-2013, 14:09

That is not debate and it is counter productive. Disdain is not ridicule. If you reject an idea you should be able to explain what is wrong with it.

They also do the same with gun rights.

I am not a supporter of any political party. I only share the idea of strict interpretation of the Constitution with libertarians, in that it is the only guarantee of the rights of the people.

The Republicans claim to support that also, but their actions speak much louder than their propaganda.

The left favors a living constitution, which only means that your rights are what authority says they are, which is none at all.

Both parties embrace Progressivism, in that they view Representatives do what is (supposedly) in the interest of the people, whether the people want it or not. Or in other words, the people are ignorant and we must rule them. Hence, leaders and not representatives at all.

Both parties also contain a large sampling of Neoconservatives and are happy to pursue that agenda.

The American Political System is nothing more than a Plutocracy masquerading as a Democratic Republic. And now it has decided to also be a Security State.