"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22

[HoreTore]

Surprisingly enough I agree with Horetore's principle. If they make less money off fossil fuels and more off sustainable sources, they'll choose that. Image is important as well and companies will do anything to get ahead, even taking a loss to ensure future profits.

Transportation is an obvious example on this. The cheaper my train is and the more costly my car is, the more likely it is that I will take the train to work instead of driving.

Of course there are exceptions to this as well, economic incentitives don't always work as intended(morals also play a part, for example). And of course, I sold my car in 2010. I didn't do it on economic grounds, I did it for moral reasons... Been a happy pedestrian ever since!

[Visor]

Transportation is an obvious example on this. The cheaper my train is and the more costly my car is, the more likely it is that I will take the train to work instead of driving.

Of course there are exceptions to this as well, economic incentitives don't always work as intended(morals also play a part, for example). And of course, I sold my car in 2010. I didn't do it on economic grounds, I did it for moral reasons... Been a happy pedestrian ever since!

Certainly. Public transportation is a great alternative. I just wish they introduced more of it.

[Fragony]

Gutmensch socialist ferret international apocalypse windmills!

Furthermore: Eurabia quality intellectualoco media!

Stop begging I am not going to do the phunky monkey with you

[Ironside]

I like how an average volcanic eruption injects more carbon in the atmosphere than human kind has for the last 100 years. Yet we still get bull like "carbon footprints" and the asshats at the top want to push a global carbon tax on us.

Please spot the vulcano eruptions here. The largest one is Pinabuto (1991) btw.

It's hard to dig out any good estimations, but we're at least talking the scale of 10 times Toba here. That was the emissions for 2008. Your "average vulcano eruption" is about 40 times stronger. It's in the size of wiping out humanity.

[drone]

The advantage of (explosive) volcano eruptions is that along with the CO2, you get huge amounts of SO2 ejected high into the atmosphere. Combined with the particulates, this counters the greenhouse effect and cools the global climate.

[Fragony]

Thanks for the thanks, since you copied all my inventions you must have really made an effort.

Edi, ipad sucks

[Ironside]

The advantage of (explosive) volcano eruptions is that along with the CO2, you get huge amounts of SO2 ejected high into the atmosphere. Combined with the particulates, this counters the greenhouse effect and cools the global climate.

Indeed. A Tora level eruption would cause global mass starvation due to the cooling effect. It's speculated to have been close to wiping out humanity (there's a human genetic bottleneck around the same time). Even Tambora (1815 Indonesia) caused "the year without summer" in Europe.

It just annoys me to see a blatant lie, simply because you didn't check the most factual basic source and saw the impossibillity of the statement.

[gaelic cowboy]

Only problem I can with a volcano based reduction is we will still merrily belch co2, the skeptics will cry ah ha ha and naturally we will end up in a worse position than before after the so2 levels out.

Of course an extinction level event will mean the s02 co2 mismatch will be the least worry we have.

[rvg]

So, the way I see it then, in order to counteract the global warming we need to burn a whole bunch of sulphur. Done and done.

[gaelic cowboy]

So, the way I see it then, in order to counteract the global warming we need to burn a whole bunch of sulphur. Done and done.

well run out of sulphur before we counteract enough carbon and well also emit more carbon trying to find extract the sulphur.

You would just end up cancelling the carbon it took to find the sulphur essentially and crucially you couldnt stop once you started.

[rvg]

In that case we need to burn a LOT more stuff. Enough for the soot to actually start obscuring sunlight. Remember what happened in Kuwait during the 1st Gulf war? That. Globally.

[gaelic cowboy]

In that case we need to burn a LOT more stuff. Enough for the soot to actually start obscuring sunlight. Remember what happened in Kuwait during the 1st Gulf war? That. Globally.

The was carbon being burnt in kuwait though, also soot doesnt last as long as carbon in the atmosphere

[rvg]

The was carbon being burnt in kuwait though.

And the temperature dropped by about 10 degrees Celsius.

[gaelic cowboy]

And the temperature dropped by about 10 degrees Celsius.

but the carbon was in the atmosphere for longer and the soot dissappeared in a short time

you wuld have the same problem with so2 the carbon would last longer that the sulphur in the atmosphere

[rvg]

but the carbon was in the atmosphere for longer and the soot dissappeared in a short time

you wuld have the same problem with so2 the carbon would last longer that the sulphur in the atmosphere

Which is why we gotta keep burning. Coal. Non-stop.

[gaelic cowboy]

Which is why we gotta keep burning. Coal. Non-stop.

thats crazy you would massively increase respiratory problems world wide.

[rvg]

It's the price of cooling the Earth, I guess.

Coughing up your lungs vs Learning to breathe underwater.

[gaelic cowboy]

There is no chance we will cool the earth instead we should be planning for a future thats warmer.

[a completely inoffensive name]

We can remove carbon from the atmosphere if we only had cheap enough energy and the political will to do it.

[Beskar]

I'll just leave this here, as it seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH5D9P6KYfY

Thing is, there are two questions:
1) Is the Climate changing?
2) Is this change man-made.

I believe we have the Science that proves 1), however, 2) is more shaky, though there has been a widespread adoption of practises which have reduced emissions. The other day, some one was doubting the existence of Acid Rain because of the policies in place which has helped reduced it significantly (catalytic converters) have been doing their job. It will always be an uproad struggle with the money-interest behind the anti-change crowd (Which is something like 12 times more than the 'pro-change').

[Papewaio]

Go nuclear. Simple.

[rvg]

Go nuclear. Simple.

Fukushima means that the public opinion will bury this idea. Now I personally love nuclear power and would much rather live near a nuclear plant than a coal plant, but good luck convincing the bulk of the populace. It ain't happening.

[Ironside]

So, the way I see it then, in order to counteract the global warming we need to burn a whole bunch of sulphur. Done and done.

That type of global cooling has been suggested for geoengineering. Burning sulfur is both smog creating and acid rain creating, so it's not the best option though.

Pretty much all serious geoengineering suggestions are desperation actions though. Something about creating massive projects were you can't predict all consequences from.

[Fragony]

Thing is, there are two questions:
1) Is the Climate changing?
2) Is this change man-made.

I believe we have the Science that proves 1), however, 2) is more shaky, though there has been a widespread adoption of practises which have reduced emissions. The other day, some one was doubting the existence of Acid Rain because of the policies in place which has helped reduced it significantly (catalytic converters) have been doing their job. It will always be an uproad struggle with the money-interest behind the anti-change crowd (Which is something like 12 times more than the 'pro-change').

Acid rain was also a hoax. You know wind, it's air moving. If you look at how wind generally moves, nothing that was done here can't have had any effect here. Wind in Europe comes from the ocean, any industry there?

https://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&b...QGXDkhfP2KM%3A

[HopAlongBunny]

A little more analysis of "cooling" in context:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ea-ice-melting

[Fragony]

Satalite-images clearly show that the ice-caps are growing, who says otherwise is either reading quality media, so can't know the ice-caps are in fact growing, or flat out lying because they get their funds that way. Satalite images don't lie they are just pictures.

[Husar]

Satalite-images clearly show that the ice-caps are growing, who says otherwise is either reading quality media, so can't know the ice-caps are in fact growing, or flat out lying because they get their funds that way. Satalite images don't lie they are just pictures.

I never saw these pictures, they do not exist. If that is true for 90% of the population and you still refuse to link your sources then your cause is a lost cause mia muca.

[HoreTore]

Acid rain was also a hoax. You know wind, it's air moving. If you look at how wind generally moves, nothing that was done here can't have had any effect here. Wind in Europe comes from the ocean, any industry there?

It's comments like this that makes other people ignore you, Frags.

Seriously, read up on the science before you condemn it. In this case, I believe it's sufficient to open up a 9th grade science textbook.

[Fragony]

I never saw these pictures, they do not exist.

Yes they do, you just can't have seen them if you read quality media. They have grown with 60%. If you want pics ask NASA.

[CBR]

I never saw these pictures, they do not exist. If that is true for 90% of the population and you still refuse to link your sources then your cause is a lost cause mia muca.

This is how much the ice has "recovered":


http://www.skepticalscience.com/arct...millennia.html

In other words, we can expect an ice age any minute now!! The bigmajorityofscientistswiththeirunsettledscience may think otherwise, but who cares what they say when my gut feel says they are wrong.