Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
Well, TR, I'd direct you to any of your first 5 threads. If the scorn and ridicule you were met with their doesn't tell you something, there really isn't much I can do.

You don't even understand your own sources.

proving my point, you cant point to any even one instance to support your claim. Unless scorn and ridicule count as what you said

"your points have been shot down repeatedly as evidence supporting your new, as idiotic, claims "

however to most, emotional ridicule,name calling etc with nothing to back it up,is what most realize [you may eventually i hope] as what people do when they have no arguments to make. As you said you have multiple threads to try and show just one example based on evidence , yet all you can do is scorn and ridicule. It may work for you now,but someday dont be so easily convinced by tactics. Start by looking up

Question begging epithet
ad hominem





Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
I am sorry m8... you English is really starting to degrade. I am having trouble understanding the meaning behind what you write.
I already told you that I will not discuss NT as evidence for historical Jesus. What would the point be? It was written by "Christians".


And quoting the Bible will counter exactly which claim I made? That the Jews considered more candidates to the title of Messiah? Disciples killed and dispersed? and what exactly happened to Jesus' followers according to the Bible? What did Jesus prophesy would happen to his followers in the near future according to the Bible?


That is my whole claim... there are no Jesus from Nazareth in any of the references. Josephus' TF is a fraud. The rest does not mention the name of Jesus of Nazareth. You mention e.g. Talmud. Have you actually read the reference there?


On the liberal vs evangelical scholars.
I am familiar with the use of "supporting" references by extremists. They usually quote out of context and "adjust" the quote a little to make it suit their agenda. I have been quoted like that many times. Most resent example in the last quote above.
I take such quotes with a grain of salt until I am able to read it in context and by the originator.

as said, you have no logical reason to reject the best closest historical documents other than your worldview. Faulty logic my friend

Appeal to motive-

also you still wont exspalin how and why the nt documents are the way they are with no jesus.





no idea what your saying please type again. I was saying same thing Gamaliel said in acts, if those other claimed messiahs were true, they would not have been stopped. Also what other messiah would you say fulfilled the profacies of ot like jesus. We are a ways from op here. Your claim was that just because documents refer to jesus the messiah,that it could be another person thought of as messiah from Nazareth that just happened to live same time and was crucified and had brother james,eventualy you just gota see through your own bs.


as stated you reject any reference to jesus as could be someone else, than claim no reference to jesus,please find anyone who holds to your view. Noone rejects 2 of the 3 references to jesus by Josephus, most dont all 3, some do part of third. You than ignore all else than make claim no references to jesus, this to me fits here perfect [just different subject].well never mind cant get cartoon to work.


fair enough,however with no evidence you base it on nothing but your own bias. I happen to have herd many of these men in person [or video/book] say these things, you cant find online most in full to check if you care to.