Special Forces - who is the best?

[Husar]

SF do not win hearts and minds. The average troops who patrol the streets, talk to local leaders, and deal with the backlash from violent and often unexplained SF raids are the ones who do that.

There's so much wrong in this thread I don't even know where to start. I was gonna stay out of it, but Husar's posts alone are enough to warrant this.

What? Everything I say is perfectly 100% validated truth.

You also completely misunderstood the whole thing about winning hearts and minds and who does that and where and when.
The special forces you deal or dealt with the are the killer commando gung-ho types who pale in comparison to Spetsnaz.
The special forces who are supposed to win hearts and minds, they are different, they were different and they are either not deployed in Afghanistan at all or they are working with locals in US-friendly villages somewhere far away from where you were stationed.

It's also perfectly possible that the bloodthirsty US policies and the end of the cold war in combination with the terrorist scaretactics lead to a change in weight. In the sense that the killer commando special forces were increased in number while the number of winning hearts and minds operators was toned down. This would then obviously be a failure of US military strategy in Afghanistan and here we all thought that one was perfect...

That said I also never called it winning hearts and minds and found that to be a bit wrong as these operators were usually sent to people who weren't all that fond of the enemy in the first place. It's not my fault that American governments in the past years have completely failed to utilize special forces the way they were originally intended to be used and gotten themselves into conflicts they cannot win using their favourite bloodthirsty retaliation rhetoric. That book I have is from 2000, so it was written before 9/11 started the whole terror craze and the downwards spiral in US military tactics and strategies.

The focus on this topic also completely fails to recognize the actual point of my posts, which was that Spetsnaz are superior to all other special forces.

Guys, guys, guys. I know how to settle this debate. Let me just show you how elite American operators train, and you'll realize all your other special forces with fancy sounding foreign names that just mean the same thing can't measure up.

But be warned - this is some intense training and you may not be able to handle it;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lARY...ature=youtu.be

CR

Ugh, so they learn how to hit a target at <3m distance, the RPO Shmel has a range of 600m, the Spetsnaz will turn them into Kentucky fried chicks no matter how fast they can draw their peashooters.