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    I didn't quite get why they needed stealth choppers when they were flying alongside 3 regular ones which used radar jammers or whatever that tech does.

    Oh, and the pilot managed to crash one of the two stealth choppers when landing in the courtyard, so the SEALs had to demo it upon exit. Which they sort of messed up, because the tail rotor survived.

    Beware the upcoming pakistani stealth choppers!

    When we are talking about conventional forces - what are the equivalents to the US Marine corps for other countries when it comes to power projection overseas? And I saw in the Ukraine thread that GC stated that Russian tanks are equal or superior to the Abrhams currently employed by the US forces. But isn't anti-tank warfare the primary reason why the USA has about 8000 choppers employed in its army?
    I can comment few basic things about modern MBT´s and bit more about how to defeat them from my limited knowledge. Im sure GC can tell you just about everything from tankers view.
    Basically East and West have bit different approach to basic tank armor.

    Western armor generally has composite armor, which means layers of different materials, functioning so that the different layers eat up the kinetic or explosive force of the projectile, thus denying penetration.

    Eastern (Russian) armor is usually solid steel, but has nova days ERA, which is very interesting approach. It is basically lot of shaped charges placed on top the steel armor. It´s function is to defeat the incoming projectile by counter energy.

    Of course as armor develops, so will the means to defeat armor. The most modern AT missiles have tandem HEAT warheads where two warheads hit one after another the same spot in the armor, thus defeating both classic Western and Eastern countermeasures many times. In Finnish inventory such AT missile is PSTOHJ 2000M (aka Eurospike) our lighter AT system is NLAW, which is a one man portable fire and forget AT missile which missile has double sensor for defeating systems like SHTORA. It is interesting indeed if countermeasure like ARENA can still defeat both. But i bet there is little it can do about multiple incoming projectiles. Like said earlier. It is endless race and there are lot of very deadly stuff around.

    Of course portable AT missiles are not at all only ways to effectively destroy armor. With enough HE you can destroy anything and the classic approach of large caliber kinetic projectiles like modern tank guns and autocannons for example GAU- 8 of US A-10 attack aircraft can defeat tanks.

    All in all we can never be sure what works and what not to most modern designs, unless there would be a war between two sides with latest equipments, which i think in the end we really dont want to witness.
    Last edited by Kagemusha; 03-04-2014 at 16:38.
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