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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post

    And the miserable SOBs on the square actually are convinced that the EU/NATO will give them a better standard of living. Protip: it won't.
    Ukrainians need to learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch, whether it's paid by a Russian or a westerner. Both expect something in return.

    They need to understand that they themselves need to get their country in order since no one will do it for them.

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    Question on nr2, why did you suspect that?
    Because snipers are not an effective crowd control method. You can't stop 100,000+ angry people by killing a few dozens with snipers. You can only make them angrier. There was no logic behind it, no motive.
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    That's the problem when you decide to throw out the basic rule of democracy. You may decide on a new set of rules, but until things settle down, someone with backing may decide they may not want to play by your new rules. And you can't complain, since you've already discarded the previous mutually agreed on rules. Be strong enough to enforce your new set of rules, have the backing to enforce it, or play by the agreed on rules. The Ukrainian protestors rejected the third, are dubious on the first, and are looking for the second, whereas the pro-Russians seem confident on the second.

    Also, I note that you pointed out the Ukrainian Parliament voted to impeach the old president, with the argument being that the replacement of that government was backed by democratic legitimacy. If so, would the Crimean regional government, similarly democratically elected, have democratic legitimacy in saying they want nothing to do with the rest of Ukraine? Both political bodies have democratic credits in their own way, and the rules concerning the status of government have already been dismissed, so they're free to define the new rules. The Ukrainian parliament defined it by legitimising the replacement of the previous government, whereas the Crimean region have defined it by declaring their independence from the rest of Ukraine. Is one right and the other wrong?
    "A government minister in Kiev said they believe it would be unconstitutional for Crimea to join Russia."

    Someone doesn't like the new rules.

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    Did I miss something?

    So, someone from the new interim government or a political party sent the snipers.

    The government isn’t or is interested in investigating this. (one said not the other said there was)

    Just how does this shake out that the EU is behind it?

    It sounds like people talking realistically about a tragic mess. Not making secret plans to take over the country.

    The EU can offer aid, the Russians can offer aid.

    Maybe the government tossed out was not as bad as some wanted them to believe.

    Other people are now in, or have a chance to gain power. And one or more is willing to kill to get it.


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    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/wo...html?hpt=hp_t2

    It is not so much about EU, but about the illegal in my mind now government of Ukraine. Was it one of our British members that used as his argument that the legitimacy of the past Ukrainian government flew out of the window, with those shots in the crowd? Now it seems the case was actually quite the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Because snipers are not an effective crowd control method. You can't stop 100,000+ angry people by killing a few dozens with snipers. You can only make them angrier. There was no logic behind it, no motive.
    Never being safe sounds like a good motive, it must have enourmous psycholical impact if you can be shot from anywhere. Not questioning what you say but I can find some logic in using them if you are an absolute jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Did I miss something?

    So, someone from the new interim government or a political party sent the snipers.

    The government isn’t or is interested in investigating this. (one said not the other said there was)

    Just how does this shake out that the EU is behind it?

    It sounds like people talking realistically about a tragic mess. Not making secret plans to take over the country.

    The EU can offer aid, the Russians can offer aid.

    Maybe the government tossed out was not as bad as some wanted them to believe.

    Other people are now in, or have a chance to gain power. And one or more is willing to kill to get it.
    It appears, with the help of Kagemusha article in the previous post that foreign minister of Estonia was giving an assessment of Olga Bogomolets, one of the chief doctors who organized field hospitals for the protesters. Based on her evidence, he said it is becoming clear that Yanukovich is not the one who ordered sniper attacks, but the opposition, which is even more likely as the opposition government isn't even trying to investigate sniper attacks.

    Ashton than said "that is interesting, we will have to look into it more".

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Never being safe sounds like a good motive, it must have enourmous psycholical impact if you can be shot from anywhere. Not questioning what you say but I can find some logic in using them if you are an absolute jerk.
    Not being safe whether you do something or not makes you more likely to try to remove the threat rather than do nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    It appears, with the help of Kagemusha article in the previous post that foreign minister of Estonia was giving an assessment of Olga Bogomolets, one of the chief doctors who organized field hospitals for the protesters. Based on her evidence, he said it is becoming clear that Yanukovich is not the one who ordered sniper attacks, but the opposition, which is even more likely as the opposition government isn't even trying to investigate sniper attacks.

    Ashton than said "that is interesting, we will have to look into it more".



    Not being safe whether you do something or not makes you more likely to try to remove the threat rather than do nothing.
    Sure!

    It points to one of the groups in government as does the uninvited visitors.

    The tactics are too obvious. But I will wait and see.

    Lots had motive and opportunity. I could be anyone. Even the US or Russia.

    A big mess offers political opportunities and none of them are concerned with the cost in life when you get to the bottom line.


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    Yeah, so how is that an evil EU plot again?

    I always knew that Estonians wanted to kill Ukrainians via the EU so that they don't have to pay for an army because Estonians are all pussies like everyone in the EU which just proves how evil the EU is!!!!!1111


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Yeah, so how is that an evil EU plot again?

    I always knew that Estonians wanted to kill Ukrainians via the EU so that they don't have to pay for an army because Estonians are all pussies like everyone in the EU which just proves how evil the EU is!!!!!1111
    We here in Finland support what ever our kraut overlords say or dont say....Estonia is only good for importing cheap beer back to Finland that has been exported there from Finland with export subsidiaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    You're right. We used flying tanks to suppress Libyan AA back in 2011.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-lib...-network/23841
    The following strategic SAM systems are currently serving within the Libyan Air Defense Force: S-75 (SA-2 GUIDELINE), S-125 (SA-3 GOA), and S-200 (SA-5 GAMMON).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina
    In service 1957-present

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora
    In service 1961–present

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_Angara/Vega/Dubna
    In service 1967-present

    Yeah, because Libyan air defenses are totally representative of modern russian air defenses!

    Not like they're all systems from the Vietnam-era or like you had control of the seas and could use cruise missiles or like France and Britain were actually the ones to attack Libya first...

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    T 72s of any kind are inferior to any Abrams, Leo, Leclerc, Challenger, or even Stryker MGS. T-80s are comparable to an Abrams in full scale battle but inferior individually, and I actually don't know much about the newer ones. Those are crazy numbers though for a failing nation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-72#Es...otection_level

    The protection with Relikt is actually on par or even better than all of the NATO tanks you mention, the modern T-72 is called T-90 and is not really inferior anymore. And that failing nation on the other side of the atlantic has even crazier numbers of everything, 10 carrier groups but 47.6 million people on food stamps: http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content...mps-Yearly.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-lib...-network/23841


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina
    In service 1957-present

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora
    In service 1961–present

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_Angara/Vega/Dubna
    In service 1967-present

    Yeah, because Libyan air defenses are totally representative of modern russian air defenses!

    Not like they're all systems from the Vietnam-era or like you had control of the seas and could use cruise missiles or like France and Britain were actually the ones to attack Libya first...
    And? The point is that we used air power to suppress their AA.
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    I may be wrong, but I believe his point to be that Russian AA will be adequate enough to suppress your planes. Which, if true, should dispel your notion of using the planes to suppress the AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    We here in Finland support what ever our kraut overlords say or dont say....Estonia is only good for importing cheap beer back to Finland that has been exported there from Finland with export subsidiaries.
    I just read about how Merkel is not fond of Putin.

    Because Merkel once got bitten in the knee by a dog and since that day she is afraid of dogs. And when she visited Putin in 2007 or so, a huge black dog walked into the room and Putin smiled and straddled it. And this despite Merkel's staff telling everyone in advance that there should be no dogs because the mighty evil EU conqueror Merkel is afraid of dogs. Putin is so mean...

    I mean if that doesn't make you believe in true evil among our leaders, what else could?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    I may be wrong, but I believe his point to be that Russian AA will be adequate enough to suppress your planes. Which, if true, should dispel your notion of using the planes to suppress the AA.
    Exactly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    I may be wrong, but I believe his point to be that Russian AA will be adequate enough to suppress your planes. Which, if true, should dispel your notion of using the planes to suppress the AA.
    You may be wrong or you may be right. Nobody knows for sure though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    You may be wrong or you may be right. Nobody knows for sure though.
    That's what Hitler said before he invaded Russia.


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    That's what Hitler said before he invaded Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Yeah, so how is that an evil EU plot again?

    I always knew that Estonians wanted to kill Ukrainians via the EU so that they don't have to pay for an army because Estonians are all pussies like everyone in the EU which just proves how evil the EU is!!!!!1111
    The EU is too stupid to be evil, the EU is too stupid to be anything. These pencil-lickers and Godwin-cannons are way over their head here. Oh how they want to have a historical role...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I just read about how Merkel is not fond of Putin.

    Because Merkel once got bitten in the knee by a dog and since that day she is afraid of dogs. And when she visited Putin in 2007 or so, a huge black dog walked into the room and Putin smiled and straddled it. And this despite Merkel's staff telling everyone in advance that there should be no dogs because the mighty evil EU conqueror Merkel is afraid of dogs. Putin is so mean...

    I mean if that doesn't make you believe in true evil among our leaders, what else could?

    The message there couldn’t be much clearer, unless he had put glowing red contacts on the dog and sicked it on her.

    He seems to do things to get Obama to cancel meetings. Wonder what that means?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    He seems to do things to get Obama to cancel meetings. Wonder what that means?
    Probably served him watermelons and fried chicken for dinner.
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    And it happened, Russia expanded. Crimea is now Russian. Looks like the international-socialism and the Ukrainian Hitler-fanboys aren't getting their fourth reich yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    And it happened, Russia expanded. Crimea is now Russian.
    Neville Chamberlain can breathe a sigh of relief: the aggressor has been pacified, at least for the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Neville Chamberlain can breathe a sigh of relief: the aggressor has been pacified, at least for the moment.
    Kinda rooting for Russia here, they could use the Crimea ports until 2048 (lol@year) because in the North the sea freezes in the winter. They would never give that up, they can't.

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    Interesting.

    It could be the new Coalition - note the Minister says *somebody* in the Coalition appears to have ordered the attacks.

    That's possible - there are several other explanation, including Russian snipers or someone from within Yanakovich's Berkut Police going a bit nuts.

    Putin is certainly ruthless enough to order it - I'm not sure if he would though. On the face of it, the snipers caused the collapse of his puppet government but conversely that gave him an opportunity to invade Crimea.

    So the question is how long a game was Putin playing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Kinda rooting for Russia here, they could use the Crimea ports until 2048 (lol@year) because in the North the sea freezes in the winter. They would never give that up, they can't.
    But that's just not true: contrary to popular belief the mainstay of the Russian navy in Europe is not the Black Sea or the Baltic. It's the Arctic base of Severomorsk in the Barents Sea near the Norwegian border. It's completely ice free all year round and always has been. Furthermore, unlike the Baltic or Black Sea puddles, Russian Northern fleet is free from all the tonnage or nuclear restrictions there. They can have carriers, nuclear subs (which they do), etc.
    The much talked about Black Sea Fleet is a joke compared to the Arctic navy. The base is just a pretext for a land grab.
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    Gotcha, gracias

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    It could be a mix of both.

    Putin might actually know the truth, so whilst the pro-Kiev forces ordered the sniper attacks, he knew it was them, allowed them to seize control, then he could use this information against them, which makes it easier to put his man back upon the throne.

    There are many opportunities for both side, but once you walk down certain roads, you are shooting yourself in the foot, over and over.
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    I am wondering a bit more about the government in Crimea. There were big shakeups there too. 77 members of the ruling party left and became independent. The leader of the government, from what I glean was replaced by a Russian Business Tycoon (note I did not say Russian-Ukrainian) a few days before the intervention. They announced they would boycott national elections and now they decide they are joining Russia.

    Ukraine calls the government of Crimea illegitimate and the Russians call the Ukrainian government illegitimate. Maybe they both are.

    It all seems a bit to pat. As Crimea is autonomous what shakeup forced the government to go haywire?

    Now, today the parliament of Crimea is supposed to be unanimous in their decision to join Russia.

    They seemed to be hopelessly divided a short time age, but suddenly they are unanimous.

    Isn’t that sweet?


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    Kagemusha: Finnish is basically just drunk Estonian. That's what you get for importing cheap Saku beer from Tallinn.

    Right now I'm actually in Estonia, and it's not really a big secret that people are a bit suspicious of Russia in general. Interestingly, it should also be noted that only 6 out of 21 members of Keskerakond (an Estonian political party, often described as pro-Russian) signed a letter expressing sympathies for the situation in Ukraine. The Estonian political landscape is a bit divided between politicians stressing Estonia's relationship with the rest of Europe, whereas others seek thorough reconciliation with Russia.

    I just read the article in Postimees, and basically it says that Urmas Paet hasn't responded so far, because he didn't hear the conversation himself yet. I'm wondering what kind of repercussions this will have for the situation there. People are tense here though.
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