Sensationalist UK Headline sparks Eurarabia Scare

[Kadagar_AV]

A focus on slaughter methods when discussing animal welfare is missing the point entirely. There's not a huge difference between the various methods, and switching from one to another won't make much of a difference.

There are a number of things we can do to improve animal welfare which will have a real impact. Slaughter methods ain't one of them.

But slaughter is a bloody business, and sure to catch the eye of those whose head starts hurting if they read more than three sentences. Boring stuff like number of hours in transport, stall dimensions and exercise just isn't as catchy. Sadly, they are far more important.


And please, do try to make an effort to express your opinions without adding childish **** at various spots in your posts.

That's all well and good.

Of course we should strive to make the slaughtering process as "humane" as possible. We in the western world strive for it but fail as is (in some cases, not all).

That however does not, in any way, explain why we should let Muslims get away with known torture in 100% of the cases.

Here is a childish thing for you... And you only. _ _ _ _ you.

It's like a hangman game, fill in the blanks.

[HoreTore]

Referring to kosher slaughter as 'torture' is just plain hyperbole.

If that's the standard for torture, I can't really think of any aspect of modern farming which doesn't classify as torture.

But it does fit you posting style, I'll give you that.

Point being, whenever there's an article about ritual slaughter, the outrage meter bursts. Whenever there's an article about animal transport distances, there's absolute silence. Indeed, the only outrage we hear in that situation are the cries for more efficient agriculture and cheaper food.

And more efficiency in agriculture will, of course, mean less animal welfare. Or 'more torture' in your language.

[Pannonian]

Referring to kosher slaughter as 'torture' is just plain hyperbole.

If that's the standard for torture, I can't really think of any aspect of modern farming which doesn't classify as torture.

But it does fit you posting style, I'll give you that.

Point being, whenever there's an article about ritual slaughter, the outrage meter bursts. Whenever there's an article about animal transport distances, there's absolute silence. Indeed, the only outrage we hear in that situation are the cries for more efficient agriculture and cheaper food.

And more efficiency in agriculture will, of course, mean less animal welfare. Or 'more torture' in your language.

Hang on, he's only bashing Muslims here. The halal form of animal slaughter is torture, whereas kosher is ok. Unless Kad wants to call Jews barbarians as well for doing functionally the same thing. Well, Kad, what do you think of Jews?

[Kadagar_AV]

Hang on, he's only bashing Muslims here. The halal form of animal slaughter is torture, whereas kosher is ok. Unless Kad wants to call Jews barbarians as well for doing functionally the same thing. Well, Kad, what do you think of Jews?

Either a practice is barbaric or not.

Why do you think I would go softer on Jews? Heck, they - much like Arabians even mutilate their own sons. They also wage a perpetual war.

Uh... It's kind of a laugh, you have been here since 2005. You should, by now, have learnt that I defend what is humane and logical - in that order.


EDIT: As half Austrian my hands are pretty tied on the whole Jewish dilemma. The last Austrian to dwell into it kind of failed in his ambitions. It lead to a world with Jews galore - if it's positive or not - with a minority having majority in a minority of important stuff like media is positive or not.... Is a whole other debate :)

[Pannonian]

Either a practice is barbaric or not.

Why do you think I would go softer on Jews? Heck, they - much like Arabians even mutilate their own sons. They also wage a perpetual war.

Uh... It's kind of a laugh, you have been here since 2005. You should, by now, have learnt that I defend what is humane and logical - in that order.


EDIT: As half Austrian my hands are pretty tied on the whole Jewish dilemma. The last Austrian to dwell into it kind of failed in his ambitions. It lead to a world with Jews galore - if it's positive or not - with a minority having majority in a minority of important stuff like media is positive or not.... Is a whole other debate :)

Fair enough. I'll quote your posts from this page, suitably edited so that Muslims aren't singled out illogically.

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I am of course addressing people who find it sane that what they eat must come from an animal who has died in cognitional fear.

Absolutely Jewish... Barbaric I mean. Sorry for the Freudian slip.


I have had animals, and when it was time for them to die, I tried my utmost to make them die in a happy state, and without any pain what so ever.

Heck, I even helped a friends kill off his dog... Dog got a full day of fun, then we spread out his favourite candy on the grass.... As he was happily gobbling it down, I shot him in the head.


If you don't think animals AT THE VERY LEAST have the right to die in a dignified and easy way, you are an utter barbarian, who do not belong in civilized society.

To then think of people who actively choose to torture an animal in his moment of death... Just for food... Horrific. Absolutely horrific.

The hunters I know are the biggest animal friends.

The Jews I unfortunately have to have in my surrounding seem like absolute... Yeah, I would be banned if I expressed my thoughts more clearly than I already have.

Yuck!!

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I'm a vegetarian... I kill for joy and sports when I go hunting / fishing. My friends then benefit from my labour.

Mind you, contrary to Jews I have the deepest respect for the animals I kill, and I do it as "cleanly" as I possibly could.

If you want to target me for being veggie, heck, as I said, the meat is given to friends. I don't object to killing animals for food, in civilized sort of ways. I object to intentionally not making the death process as easy as could be.

Some might claim that hunters only hit, but don't kill... From time to time...

Sure.

However.

A) The main staple of food is not from hunters.
B) A figure of what? 5-10 percent of animals being wounded - not killed is better than the 100% figure of Jews.
C) Hunters, and the hunting society, are doing their best to make a clean shot. We/they might fail at times, but they do their best.

To seriously compare that to a RELIGION where animal torture is dogma is... *again, I dont' want to be banned*

Yuck.



EDIT: I had a pet parrot once. I smashed his skull in with a brick stone.

Kind of brutal, but functioning from what I wanted.

But hand to heart, would anyone suggest that the better way would have been to string him upside down, and then slit his throat?

Seriously?

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That's all well and good.

Of course we should strive to make the slaughtering process as "humane" as possible. We in the western world strive for it but fail as is (in some cases, not all).

That however does not, in any way, explain why we should let Jews get away with known torture in 100% of the cases.

Here is a childish thing for you... And you only. _ _ _ _ you.

It's like a hangman game, fill in the blanks.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

Seriously, grow the **** up.

You really make a case of Kosher being OK as we in the western world take **** care of animals as they grow up?

In what way would that ever be an argument FOR halal food?

As stated, I am veggie, as I don't support the meat industry. I hunt and fish so my friends can have better food. That's it.

I have seen you defend weak cases before, but this one might make the prize winning one. Not in a good way though.

[Kadagar_AV]

Fair enough. I'll quote your posts from this page, suitably edited so that Muslims aren't singled out illogically.

Yeah? So what?

LOL, it looks like you try to make me repent because another religion is doing the same.

AGAIN: Two wrongs don't make a right.

I think both religions are *explicit".

Hint: Bronze age to iron age desert living tribes.