Restless crowns: forging empires [Late era -Skip a few]

[Myth]

I apologize, I was stuck somewhere without internet access. It wasn't planned, but I had forgotten my charger.

I have given this some thought and have consulted players outside the hotseat. I know I will set uproar for this, but I will overrule my own decision and allow the K-Shah to move one army. I didn't realize that the bulk of their forces were stationed there. It turned out that my decision was way, way too harsh. In compensation for allowing them to move that 1 stack, they will be fined 5000 gold.

I realize the Turks were on the offensive and this rule breaking stalled their blitz, but It seems to me that by giving such a harsh penalty I basically order them to commit suicide like the SPQR in Rome 1 did to the player Roman faction. I don't want to be that guy. @sonnet might well get angry about this, but IMO this is better for the game.

Alternative, I think I've been doing a piss poor job admiring this game. We haven't had such "serous business" hotseats here. If we get another uproar from me rethinking my decision and (and slowing the game because of my real life stuff) then I would be happy to step down.
@Dr Mac use the save with the one stack that has been allowed to move.

To be honest, we usually resolve rule violations here via replaying the save. This kind of "no replays the show must go on" hotseat requires a very experienced admin. I'm not convinced I'm the right person for the job.

[Tonno]

then I would be happy to step down.

Pih lol... this is nothing... things I have seen... it changes you completely.

But for real, you are good at least from what I have seen.

[yuonyuon]

I apologize, I was stuck somewhere without internet access. It wasn't planned, but I had forgotten my charger.

I have given this some thought and have consulted players outside the hotseat. I know I will set uproar for this, but I will overrule my own decision and allow the K-Shah to move one army. I didn't realize that the bulk of their forces were stationed there. It turned out that my decision was way, way too harsh. In compensation for allowing them to move that 1 stack, they will be fined 5000 gold.

I realize the Turks were on the offensive and this rule breaking stalled their blitz, but It seems to me that by giving such a harsh penalty I basically order them to commit suicide like the SPQR in Rome 1 did to the player Roman faction. I don't want to be that guy. @sonnet might well get angry about this, but IMO this is better for the game.

Alternative, I think I've been doing a piss poor job admiring this game. We haven't had such "serous business" hotseats here. If we get another uproar from me rethinking my decision and (and slowing the game because of my real life stuff) then I would be happy to step down.
@Dr Mac use the save with the one stack that has been allowed to move.

oh com on !Where is your spartan spirit ! harsh , harsh.
This is Total War , is more than a game
Also can i help you admining this game if you want .

[Myth]

Thanks for the support guys.

[sonnet]

Fatmid's save sent via pm.
I'll post ss tomorrow.

Also can i help you admining this game if you want .

Thanks, but no.

[Tonno]

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[Auran]

Just to be clear, can you use regular siege equipment in any siege even if it is a Castle?

[sonnet]

Hell in Baghdad

After having sacked and burnt our settlements, the Kwarezmian Shah tried all the dirty tricks he can to avoid battle, like a pathetic man fearing for his own life. No wonder then, his men too try to flee when they had to face our armies. Our soldiers though ,enraged for the sufference the Kwarezmian caused to our lands didn't leave any room for mercy. About 8 thousand of Kwarezmian soldiers fell on the battlefield, including the Faction Heir Shahazade Canbulut.
The Sultan sent 4 of his armies led by 4 of his most trusted generals, to strike back. The goal was to take the strategical region of mesopotamia under our control. To do that we had to defeat the3-4 armies the Shah put there under his -incompetent- control.
Without hesitation, the general Saban Ata took the lead.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The other generals were also eager to take their share of the glory...

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Also our intelligence is impeccable and a hostile agent has been put down.

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Now the same life of the Shah is at risk..will he beg for peace?That is to know..but what
we can be sure of, is that he now deeply regrets to have refused our foolishly-generous peace offer
4 years ago.

[Auran]

England up.

Screen:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/cd3nd1...ance%20spy.png

[Jiub]

England up.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/fe..._england_53.7z

Screen:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/cd3nd1...ance%20spy.png

That's it? one single screen, nothing followed ?

[Auran]

When the waves smash the rocks at shore, they must recede before they can smash again.

Yes that's it :D.

[Emproment]

Waiting on admin action.

I will play the turn afterwards.

[Myth]

new save with fixed passwords here
@sonnet can I get an updated list (and also in the OP) of who is handling which faction? Don't want to send the new passwords to the wrong player!

[sonnet]

new save with fixed passwords here
@sonnet can I get an updated list (and also in the OP) of who is handling which faction? Don't want to send the new passwords to the wrong player!

@Myth here's the player list:
TO @Vipman
Venice @Core-i7-inside
Norway @Gaius Octavius Caesar
Kiev @Makrell
Moors @ebs
Kwarezm @Dr Mac
Turks @sonnet
Fatimids @Tonno
Castille @Auran :
England/HRE : @Emproment
France @Jiub
Hungary @Lord Luka

[Mithridate]

Just joking, totally called it

[sonnet]

France's turn ( @Jiub ) is up (Emproment asked me to sub him, since Dr Mac chose Ebs as his subber).

Did what I could with the limited informations I had, so no complain pls.
I had inevitably to take some high risk and surely something will go wrong no matter what i could have done.
York and Edinburgh have been captured.
Magdeburg and Frankfurt captured too. Siege in Wroklaw has been broken, + some other small battles.
I'll pst the ss asap
https://www.mediafire.com/?ggt16z76ffqlamw

England'ss

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HRE ss

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[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

Damn, i tought i could capture Wroklaw with that general.
@sonnet You had 2 spies inside Magdenburg right?

Good job.

[sonnet]

Damn, i tought i could capture Wroklaw with that general.
@sonnet You had 2 spies inside Magdenburg right?

Good job.

@Gaius Octavius Caesar : yes I added the missing ss for the spy.

I didn't think it was possible too, to defeat your FL since he had 50 units. But since my unit was a spear militia and I was getting draws (2-3 times) and no defeat, I tried one last time and it worked. But in any case you needed some infantry (unless you use spies) to take the settlement. But I guess you know that.

Ps: you got lucky..I could have destroyed your army in Inverness. But I decided to take Edinburgh and York instead.

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

@Gaius Octavius Caesar : yes I added the missing ss for the spy.

I didn't think it was possible too, to defeat your FL since he had 50 units. But since my unit was a spear militia and I was getting draws (2-3 times) and no defeat, I tried one last time and it worked. But in any case you needed some infantry (unless you use spies) to take the settlement. But I guess you know that.

Ps: you got lucky..I could have destroyed your army in Inverness. But I decided to take Edinburgh and York instead.

My general was in recognition and i said why not. Hopefully he s not dead.

The army in Scotland is in a suicide mission.

[sonnet]

My general was in recognition and i said why not. Hopefully he s not dead.

The army in Scotland is in a suicide mission.

Your general is not dead. I have seen him retreating in the norh, but don't know exactly where.

[Gaius Octavius Caesar]

Your general is not dead. I have seen him retreating in the norh, but don't know exactly where.

Thats good news.

[Jiub]

Plague was spread to Rennes and the fortress of Bordeaux.
The rule strictly forbids that...

[sonnet]

Plague was spread to Rennes and the fortress of Bordeaux.
The rule strictly forbids that...

Wasn't Bordeaux taken by Castille? Btw spreading plague is forbidden with spies.
If he did with armies, that's not an issue of the rules.

In any case England/HRE has nothing to do with it (at least this turn)
Also contact @Myth
@Gaius Octavius Caesar / @Lord Luka : can you make a quick check? Load your last turn and click on Rennes and Bordeaux. If they had plague already on your turn, then it spread naturally. When plague spread naturally usually it spread at the end of the player's turn (in this case France turn 52).

[Jiub]

Wasn't Bordeaux taken by Castille?

In any case England/HRE has nothing to do with it (at least this turn)

Well after Bordeaux was captured I had no line of sight and I didn't imagine it was captured with plagued spies, until I saw Rennes infected this turn.
The rules clearly state that spreading the plague isn't allowed no matter what. That means that Spain shouldn't have been able to capture Bordeaux last turn, not to mention that he infected one of my major cities with no real reason... So yeah. We can't just skip that and go on, that gives him a big advantage this way...

[sonnet]

Well after Bordeaux was captured I had no line of sight and I didn't imagine it was captured with plagued spies, until I saw Rennes infected this turn.
The rules clearly state that spreading the plague isn't allowed no matter what. That means that Spain shouldn't have been able to capture Bordeaux last turn, not to mention that he infected one of my major cities with no real reason... So yeah. We can't just skip that and go on, that gives him a big advantage this way...

Rules say:

- Spies aren't allowed to spread plague in any case not matter what.

Plague might be spread by infected armies too, which isn't against the rules. The difference is that with armies you spread plague in your own settlements (your settlements, your choice ) with spies you can spread plague in someone's else settlements (which is not fair, and makes spies overpowered, while with armies, you'd have to be able to take my settlements first..).
@Auran : you posted a ss of your spy infiltrating Rennes..did you spy had plague? Also pls tell us how the plague spread in Bordeaux (if you have any knowledge of that).
If you committed the infraction, pls contact the admin and sort the issue.

[Dr Mac]

Sorry guys, need my save cleared for ebs :)

[sonnet]

Sorry guys, need my save cleared for ebs :)

@Dr Mac you need to give @ebs your pswd. We can't ask everytime ask the admin to clear pswds. This also would make us waste time.
I already told you that.

[Dr Mac]

@Dr Mac you need to give him your pswd. We can't ask everytime ask the admin to clear pswds. This also would make us waste time.
I already told you that.

I know but I used the same pw is a lot of HS (ones where I am in with ebs too) so I need a new one :)

[sonnet]

I know but I used the same pw is a lot of HS (ones where I am in with ebs too) so I need a new one :)

That's your issue. I told you before you joined that you needed to share pswd and that we use pre-determined pswds, as we sub each other and i told you to ask teh Kwarezm pswd to Emproment or Loose Cannon. It was your choice to ask the admin to clear the pswd and put your own.

[Jiub]

If by any chance the army was the one infected not the spies that's obviously ok. Good that you pointed that out.
Well, I'll wait for @Myth to decide what's what. I can't play my turn tonight anyways...
Too bad Rennes was infiltrated with plague tho. I hate plague. :(