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    Default Re: I should never have downloaded The Guardian app

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    Yes, but privilege also means that you can suddenly find yourself in situation where it's active without you doing anything to create a personal reputation. Say that police stops you and treats you very different depending on what race/gender/class you belong to.
    This is where the fact that any individual belongs to a whole lot of different groups enters the picture: the effects of a disprivileged group membership can more than cancel out the effects of a privileged group membership. For almost any group that is privileged on average would you be able to find members who in sum are less privileged than members of a disprivileged group. The only way to make sure that you end up with a truly privileged group, is to define the group by the members being privileged in some way; in which case gender, skin colour and similar categories are too broad and arbitrary.

    To give an example, a foreign male can easily be less privileged than a native female (no difference in physical appearance between the foreign male and native males is needed).

    In terms of the so-called male privilege, it is interesting to note that in almost every country (including Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia), female life expectancy is higher than male life expectancy, typically by several years.

    You'd expect disprivilege to have a negative impact on health, so why does the supposedly most privileged gender end up dead earlier? On the surface, it does in no way add up. This is obviously not to say that women in countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are on average disprivileged in many aspects, but it is to say that men in those countries (and almost any other country) may be disprivileged in aspects that have the potential to shorten lifespans; which would be a fundamental disprivilege.



    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    No, gender is actually a social construct, different people fit the construct to differing degrees (and that's biological) but under a different gender construct those people would fit differently. For example, in a highly homosocial society homosexuality is a norm and men who are mildly intersex become objects of desire (as they are less threatening to Alpha males) whilst highly feminine women become less desirable than more "boyish" ones. Conversely, we live in a society which has normalised heterosexual relationships and constructed highly differenced genders in support of this which means that intersex people are naturally threatening.

    It's like sociopathy, it's only a bad thing if your particular sociopathic tendencies are considered negative in your society.
    I guess I wasn't clear enough: I am using the biological definition of gender (which some people insist on referring to as sex), which is based on the production and/or presence of germ cells.

    This most basic definition describes something that is invariant with culture, even when given some natural extensions in the case of infertility (if you had what looked liked egg cells or sperm cells (and were fully capable of delivering them/having delivered to them), but were incapable of producing offspring with other humans due to an incompatibility of the germ cells, you'd be neuter according to the most basic definition; as biological gender forms a pairwise binary by compatibility of germ cells and delivery mechanisms (or, in theory at least: a higher order system, such as a trinary or a quaternary)).
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