Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
Then it's the duty of the supposed majority to assert themselves.
Does the NRA apologize very loudly every time a white guy shoots up a school or an abortion clinic?
Also see below, if you accept no group blame, why should they? Why do immigrants have more group responsibility than natives?
If you are so proud of our values, individual responsibility and same rights for all are good ones to start with.

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Why should I feel guilty about their so called less than warm welcomes, and why should I accommodate their subsequent turn to violence?
Wooow, wrong connection. I meant the less than warm welcomes may hinder stronger integration of the more normal muslims, not that they excuse all violence or even terrorism. And if you see no need to feel bad for it, why should moderate muslims feel bad for islamist terrorism?

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And as for giving up religion being a hard thing for these second generationers: from childhood they were brought up to be British.
Were they? Or were their families placed near other immigrant families because noone British wanted them and they basically grew up in Little Arabia? Do employers accept them as British or are they less likely to hire them?

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Why was this easier to give up than a religion that they had to actively, to the point of leaving this country, pursue? IIRC at least one of these militants disgusted his father, someone who actually moved to this country and regarded himself as British through and through. His father disowned him as a traitor to the country that raised him.
Good for the father, or maybe bad after all. What is this anecdote supposed to tell me? Should I want the father to be thrown out of Britain now for being muslim and not fitting in? Did I say anywhere that all muslims in Britain are cute innocent little puppies and this proves me wrong? Are you saying sometimes young people do really stupid things and listen to the wrong people? Do you think British people protesting in streets and parliaments saying muslims have no place in Britain helped the young muslim guy listen to islamists telling him that the kuffar hate him for what he is or do you think it made it harder for him to betray Britain?