Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
Is this bait? What idiot told you that praying to Saints is blasphemy to Catholics?
Only the bible, but I guess it would be unfair to judge Christians by adherance to the bible if we cn do it for Muslims.
http://www.gotquestions.org/prayer-saints-Mary.html

Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
Ignoring that, all of what you said is indeed false for Modern Christianity, It's been reformed and re-reformed for over a thousand years and even the Irish have mostly stopped killing each other over apostasy.
The thing is that all the reformers who reform things which are wrong according to the book are false prophets according to the same book. We can discuss about taking things literally and how the book came to be the book now, but then there are also imams who say the Quran is not always to be taken literally and then it comes down to whether you find them or the terrorists more trustworthy...
Or in other words, whose interpretation you, as an atheist, would rather support in public and which path would support your goals more...
Is it surprising that many youngsters think the terrorists are right when they read Fragony and many others saying theirs is the one true interpretation of Islam? I wouldn't be surprised if the recruiters collect these gems and go "see, even the kuffar know deep in their hearts that we are right!" This kind of attitude may even hamper any attempts at reform. And this is not coming from nowhere, I've heard this kind of argument in many Christian churches.

Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
Some Christians may hold some outlandish beliefs but they do not come from the text of that religion in the same way.
"in the same way"? That's just a very vague distinction, as I said there are even islamist scholars who think the Quran is not always meant literally but then a Nigel Falanga or a similar type comes along and tell them that the terrorists are indeed right and every true muslim should indeed follow the terrorists....
But hey, it's Merkel who is doing the real harm.

Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
Most of their reforms have been to extra biblical beliefs instituted by church or state leaders.
And if we think that was a good thing, why do we not support the same thing in Islam?
Although I would grant Chritianity that the message of Jesus does not exactly need many alterations to be peaceful, it was more that the "reforms" led to all the wrong interpretations. But I assume we are talking about practical application here and how we can improve things. And I think the whole "Islam is inherently out to kill us, the others are not true muslims and the only solution is to turn them all into atheists" that seems to be the argument of many, is not exactly a productive or workable solution.
It's just a blame game without a real solution.

Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
It is not explicitly mandated as an article of faith. Christians may proselytise but nothing mandates it at sword point. Just as nothing in Jewish or Christian theology requires it to be the only religion on earth.
There are plenty of Muslims who believe they can live alongside other religions, as was the case in previous caliphates. But as I said, the solution is apparently to tell everyone that even we Christians and Atheists believe that they should slaughter us all to be good muslims...