Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

[Fragony]

Horrible, my condoleances. That's all I am going to say right now but you probably know what I think.

[CrossLOPER]

Horrible, my condoleances. That's all I am going to say right now but you probably know what I think.

That this is clearly the action of a deranged young adult who, despite never really heavily participating in religious activity (according to his family), used religious extremism as an excuse to commit mass murder? Yes, Fragony. I agree with you.

[InsaneApache]

Owen Jones's head just exploded on Sky News tonight.

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

[Husar]

Owen Jones's head just exploded on Sky News tonight.

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

Complete trainwreck, that entire "discussion"...

[Gilrandir]

Wonder if the US is going to ramp up the anti-ISIS campaign like France did after the Paris attacks.

Remind me what France's campaign amounted to.

[HopAlongBunny]

Very sad

[Fragony]

Remind me what France's campaign amounted to.

Isn't any. Police is on high-alert though. Right-wing parties aren't surprised at all that this happened, nobody should. If you think islam belongs here it's islam that you get, to you utmost surprise, yes you as well, they do not like you, It is what it is. It's a hostile ideogie with a limb dick but with all the cruelty to compemsate, how can anyone not get that, ir's gong to be much worse,

[Slyspy]

Isn't any. Police is on high-alert though. Right-wing parties aren't surprised at all that this happened, nobody should. If you think islam belongs here it's islam that you get, to you utmost surprise, yes you as well, they do not like you, It is what it is. It's a hostile ideogie with a limb dick but with all the cruelty to compemsate, how can anyone not get that, ir's gong to be much worse,

In this case it seems at this early stage to be a young man with mental issues latching on to something which he can hate so as to externalise his problems and then connecting it with something "bigger" than he is in an attempt to make his subsequent actions mean something.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

That you feel the need to say this at all -- that it is not so basic a 'given' as to be unconsidered -- is a little saddening. Sadly, I think you are right that it still DOES need to be said.

[Gilrandir]

Well, there is this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...t-the-shooter/

I wonder, what they would be doing if they were not so pious?

I'm sure you can find plenty of examples where a religious community supported the victims and their families. Like I said: religion is a catalyzer - it can help you move on the way you have chosen, whether the way of the evil or the way of the good.

[CrossLOPER]

I'm sure you can find plenty of examples where a religious community supported the victims and their families. Like I said: religion is a catalyzer - it can help you move on the way you have chosen, whether the way of the evil or the way of the good.

That's kind of self-defeating. It is as if you design a car bumper stuffed with explosives.

[HopAlongBunny]

Samantha Bee get to the point:

[Gilrandir]

That's kind of self-defeating. It is as if you design a car bumper stuffed with explosives.

You seem to think that religion is an agent and it moves people like pieces on the chessboard. In my opinion religion is a game people play, so if a person kills somebody with a chessboard, do we blame the chessboard?

[Fragony]

That this is clearly the action of a deranged young adult who, despite never really heavily participating in religious activity (according to his family), used religious extremism as an excuse to commit mass murder? Yes, Fragony. I agree with you.

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults. All isolated incidents, naturaly. No such things like sleeping cells. IS claiming the attack, lol rediculous never happened

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

[CrossLOPER]

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults.

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

[Fragony]

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.



Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

[AE Bravo]

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

[Fragony]

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

Just because you would never do such a thing doesn't mean that there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

[Slyspy]

But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people.

Are you sure about that?

[Pannonian]

Are you sure about that?

In a number of western countries that are more used to peace than war, outside war and inside living memory (hence talking about post-WW1), the biggest massacres have been perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. AFAIK they hold the record in the UK, US, France and Spain. In the UK, incidents with smaller body counts led to the restriction of firearms. They were spaced a decade apart, yet they and their signature laws are still remembered. In 2005, the 7/7 attack and another similar attack with the same MO were spaced a few weeks apart. The first killed 50+, while we were lucky the devices in the second attack malfunctioned. There was one in Scotland around the same time as well. And those are the ones that are publicly known and that I can remember offhand. NB. I've discounted the ones with melee weapons, as they don't involve the same kind of sudden mass killing as the other examples.