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    Default Re: UK referendum: Out and Lied to

    Quote Originally Posted by I of the Storm View Post
    That's not wrong but not correct either. UK's not quite there yet, as art. 50 hasn't been invoked yet. Only when there's an official declaration stating the wish to leave the EU by UK's govt., it becomes a multilateral issue.
    Until then, it's strictly internal matter. Formally, we're dealing with a non-binding referendum. In theory the govt. could simply not give a fuck about it (disregarding the political consequences of such an action for the sake of argument).

    I'm not leaving anyone btw. Not a UK citizen. I just think this matter should be handled more even-handedly.
    You can't honestly expect the nations in the EU to sit on their hands and wait for the special words from the UK about it. Stuff happens after an election in the US but before swearing in because they don't wait until that moment to do stuff. It would be a mess. These nations aren't going to sit there and wait. Even if they change their mind (which I doubt unless it goes way way worse), the UK is going to deal with issues coming back in. You can't announce you're leaving, change your mind and then assume everything will be fine again.

    You can't quit your job but not give an exact end date and then get upset when they start replacing you or cutting your access.

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    Default Re: UK referendum: Out and Lied to

    Quote Originally Posted by AntiDamascus View Post
    You can't honestly expect the nations in the EU to sit on their hands and wait for the special words from the UK about it. Stuff happens after an election in the US but before swearing in because they don't wait until that moment to do stuff. It would be a mess. These nations aren't going to sit there and wait. Even if they change their mind (which I doubt unless it goes way way worse), the UK is going to deal with issues coming back in. You can't announce you're leaving, change your mind and then assume everything will be fine again.

    You can't quit your job but not give an exact end date and then get upset when they start replacing you or cutting your access.
    I'm quite sure that's not the point I made. I don't expect the EU to do nothing. I do expect them to prepare for all the consequences the brexit may bring. And there are several faits accomplis already. The burned money, UK universities barred from upcoming calls in Horizon2020 etc...
    That's not what I was talking about.
    What I object to is the "hurry up! Not gone yet!?" rhetoric of some (of the more objectionable) officials in the EU. It hasn't even been a week yet, ffs! If the UK doesn't get it's shit sorted by October, it's still early enough to get upset with them.

    But preferring calm and common sense is apparently not en vogue these days anywhere.

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    Default Re: UK referendum: Out and Lied to

    I guess I don't see the issue then. They voted to leave. It's time to start moving. They've just told the EU they don't want to be a part of their group but oh by the way they still want all the trade deals and such. I don't think it's too off for those left behind, and questioning their own fate to say "fine, go"

    Is there a strict timetable that says they can't leave yet or are they just taking their time? "We don't like you, we're leaving.... sometime in like October starting it maybe." I guess I just get why some people aren't keen on letting the UK decide when they want to ruin everyone's day. Looking at the campaigns on both sides, calm and common sense left a while ago. If the UK is going to screw these countries, I don't see why they should simply grin and take it out of some weird desire for everyone to appear calm.

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