Brexit Thread

[HopAlongBunny]

The UK hasn't told the EU anything (as yet)
A non-binding referendum in a member state obliges the EU in no way
The UK might try to use the weak results as leverage...that might not turn out well.

A little something on the politics of fear:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...over-evidence/

[Pannonian]

The UK's credit rating is plummeting. Which means we can't borrow on the scale that we've been doing before. Which means spending cuts or higher taxes. Wasn't one of the gripes, listed on the Brexit campaign bus, that we were giving more to the EU than we were getting back, to the tune of 8bn or so? How much is the tanking economy going to cost us this year and following years?

Brexit: playing Russian roulette with a wakizashi.

[Greyblades]

Hm, I will admit that for a moment I had been thinking it may not actually cost us much, the dead cat bounce is quite an issue, but that foolishness was after I had voted, I made my decision with the full knowledge of the consequences.

Pity the idiots who voted based on lies, though I think fewer voted leave than stay based on them, and laugh at the idiot politicians that jumped on the bandwagon while thinking leave wouldnt actually win.

Whether parliament made the promise with smart or foolish intent I still expect it to keep it's word and know there will be hell to pay if it does not.

The media can keep panicking as much as it wants and keep blaming thier loss on the politics of fear.

My feet are not near cold.

A little something on the politics of fear:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...over-evidence/

We didnt ignore the experts, we accepted their prediction that this will hurt and we considered it worth it in the end.

The "experts" that we actually ignored were the ones that told us that this was an irrecoverable loss, that the nation will collapse for this.

Bullshit, nations have recovered from much worse, we recovered from much worse 80 years ago, we can do it again.

Our predicted ruin is as much bullshit as the idea that this would have brought about immediate prosperity and the reclaiming of past glories.

[Pannonian]

Hm, I will admit that for a moment I had been thinking it may not actually cost us much, the dead cat bounce is quite an issue, but that foolishness was after I had voted, I made my decision with the full knowledge of the consequences.

Pity the idiots who voted based on lies, though I think fewer voted leave than stay based on them, and laugh at the idiot politicians that jumped on the bandwagon while thinking leave wouldnt actually win.

Whether parliament made the promise with smart or foolish intent I still expect it to keep it's word and know there will be hell to pay if it does not.

The media can keep panicking as much as it wants and keep blaming thier loss on the politics of fear.

My feet are not near cold.

We didnt ignore the experts, we accepted their prediction that this will hurt and we considered it worth it in the end.

The "experts" that we actually ignored were the ones that told us that this was an irrecoverable loss, that the nation will collapse for this.

Bullshit, nations have recovered from much worse, we recovered from much worse 80 years ago, we can do it again.

Our predicted ruin is as much bullshit as the idea that this would have brought about immediate prosperity and the reclaiming of past glories.

Have you noticed that Scotland has been exploring the option of remaining as an independent entity, separate from the rUK? And that Spain has clarified that there will be no objections (despite fears over Catalonia), and other European countries have expressed support? Did you take the break up of the UK into consideration when you weighed the pros and cons?

[Greyblades]

Yes.

It is the only true regret I have. I hope, with Sturgeon outright calling for democracy to be ignored, with all our history together, with the uncertainty of the EU, that the scots will stay, but if they go so be it, I will not begrudge them for it as I share their anger at westminster. Scotland would cost us money to maintain, but it would be worth it for the company in trying times, I just have to accept they may not share the affection.

I will also need some citations on that spain thing.

[Pannonian]

Yes.

It is the only true regret I have. I hope, with Sturgeon outright calling for democracy to be ignored, with all our history together, with the uncertainty of the EU, that the scots will stay, but if they go so be it, I will not begrudge them for it as I share their anger at westminster. Scotland would cost us money to maintain, but it would be worth it for the company in trying times, I just have to accept they may not share the affection.

I will also need some citations on that spain thing.

Spain is unlikely to veto an independent Scotland’s EU membership

Spain’s veto seems unlikely. José Manuel García-Margallo, Spain’s foreign minister, declined to state that Spain would veto Scottish accession when invited to do so. Instead, the Spanish Government has taken the line that the cases of Catalonia and Scotland are fundamentally different because the UK’s constitutional setting permits referendums on secession while the current Spanish constitution enshrines the indivisibility of the Spanish state and establishes that national sovereignty belongs to all Spaniards.

The Spanish government is trying to make a virtue out of necessity. They would find it politically difficult to oppose an independent Scotland’s membership. As Stephen Tierney and Katie Boyle observe, ‘if the UK Government is prepared to recognise an independent Scotland and work towards its membership of the EU with the cooperation of EU institutions and the overwhelming majority of the other Member States, then it is simply unforeseeable that this would be vetoed by an individual Member State’.

So Scotland, once independent, can apply and Spain will not veto an independent entity. If Scotland wants membership of the EU, and it overwhelmingly does, independence is the way to go.

[Greyblades]

So Scotland, once independent, can apply and Spain will not veto an independent entity. If Scotland wants membership of the EU, and it overwhelmingly does, independence is the way to go.

That is a politician's "maybe" and a pair of scottish professor's "surely"'s, one leaving his options open the other being rather optimistic, both seem careful not to say a definite "no they wont block".

I do not have faith in this blog of yours to come to such a conclusion, I dont think scotland should base it's options on it either.

[drone]

So Scotland, once independent, can apply and Spain will not veto an independent entity. If Scotland wants membership of the EU, and it overwhelmingly does, independence is the way to go.

In this scenario, who pays to rebuild Hadrian's Wall? All that unprotected border, ripe for illegal immigration and smuggling.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The UK's credit rating is plummeting. Which means we can't borrow on the scale that we've been doing before. Which means spending cuts or higher taxes. Wasn't one of the gripes, listed on the Brexit campaign bus, that we were giving more to the EU than we were getting back, to the tune of 8bn or so? How much is the tanking economy going to cost us this year and following years?

Brexit: playing Russian roulette with a wakizashi.

The UK's Credit rating has been cut, but the turmoil has also lowered the interest rates on new UK Bonds.

So, oddly, the cost of borrowing has gone down.

See - this is what happens when you read the headline and not the article.