Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Newyn]

Vote: Pizza

I've been more paranoid about Zack and Stork than most of the thread and I don't see myself shooting either of them as a one shot vig over multiple other people that I think would have given more information.

[El Barto]

I'm going to venture Barto as a general third-candidate for scum team.

Get off it.

I'll finish what I started, but if the wagon collapses then I hope it doesn't migrate to Al Sipclar over Pizza.

You will?

[atheotes]

Hi Renata.

I've followed this somewhat up to GH being replaced. From that, Zack and Stork were very obviously town. Too bad that's not news anymore. Also, Pizza looks extremely scummy to me.

Vote: ATPG

Oh yeah DP was also obvtown.

Shame only the dead townies were obvious town to you!

[atheotes]

My team of lurking scums I came up with, based on post count.

1. Renata
7. Montmorency
3. ATPG
6. El Barto <-----4th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
13. Atheotes <----- 5th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
14. Riedquat/novice <----Guy I've defended
8. Seireikhaan <----Guy I'm not pushing
9. Al Sipsclar <----Guy I voted once and still suspect but am looking other places.
12. Newyn <----Guy I'm not pushing.
4. BSmith <------Guy I said is town.


Look at that team of lurkers I came up with.

Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.

going with 4 scum, a smattering of PRs to balance out.

scum 2 - El barto/Al Sips -
scum 3 - Newyn/Khaan
scum 4 - BSmith/Novice

[atheotes]

For a change, i seem to be understanding what Monty is saying. thats a first.

[atheotes]

TLDR version

Riedquat's vote on d1 and behavior all game doesn't lend itself to a scum read from me.
GH is less clear, but because reasons, he's also a town read from me.
And our worst case scenario is when they're both townies, so we have to look at that. I also think it's more than 50% probable. Maybe a lot more.

Looking at that scenario, you see questionable vote patterns emerge.

I don't know what Al's doing this game with his vote, but it's not townie stuff. I also think the votes on Al came from townies this game, and weren't picked up on because it's tough to build a case for Al, and everyone was demoralized yesterday, and scums seemed to have a comfortable position, not needing to bus.

Unless Newyn was scum, in which case, they got pressure recently.

Atheotes' final vote on d2 is the clear winner of the worst vote of the game contest, I don't need an explanation or even context to see that. That's just clear from the vote tally.

How so? Please elaborate

[Montmorency]

going with 4 scum, a smattering of PRs to balance out.

scum 2 - El barto/Al Sips -
scum 3 - Newyn/Khaan
scum 4 - BSmith/Novice

Do you realize that you have almost everyone as scum? That's not funny.

[atheotes]

Atheotes' vote is scummy because he waited all round to make a move, then his move was to go against the 5 vote lead wagon on someone a lot of folks found scummy. The slot is probably town, and keeping a mislynch alive is a great idea. If the khaan slot dies, he looks better for voting for the not cleared choxorn, and if the slot doesn't die, he can blame others for driving the lynch and simply suggest that GH/khaan looked townie to him. It's defensible both ways, and both ways causes headaches for town.

Pattern is indistinguishable from mine if you are deliberately trying to not look for distinguishing characteristics. So you're either playing devil's advocate or you can be scum atp.

ok. Your logic is pretty sound. But you are not taking into account all possibilities. it looks like you have an agenda. Town pizza would have surely noted the other possibility.
I was not waiting. Just that i did not have time on D2.

[atheotes]

Do you realize that you have almost everyone as scum? That's not funny.

Dont be so serious. It would be lol if it turns out that Pizza is scum 1 and the rest are one each in those tiers.

[atheotes]

This was a terrible way to clear khaan and condemn choxorn.

I can also lynch khaan or atheotes today, maybe novice, too.
Then Newyn or Monty or El Barto.
BSmith and Renata probably never, though I'm going to tinfoil about BSmith.

Nice hedge!

[novice]

Tally as of post 940. Al Sips is actually on 3 votes in total.

Lynch votes
4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Al Sipsclar, novice, Montmorency, Newyn)
2 votes: Al Sipsclar (Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (BSmith)
1 votes: Al Sipsclair (seireikhaan)
1 votes: Montmorency (El Barto)

Voting history:

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Askthepizzaguy

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atheotes

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Al Sipsclair

GeneralHankerchief

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Aetheotes

Atheotes

Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

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[atheotes]

I'll admit it's a relevant thing to ask khaan.

I still think that slot is town. Khaan didn't necessarily do anything to earn it, but it is what it is.

I don't want to vote there. I think the team is Al-theotes with a generous dollop of Monty. But I got nothing to back it up except their vote pattern, and no one has a good one. I just think some people managed to get town reads out of this mess in spite of that-

Riedquat slot not self pres on d1

And who was pushing GH.

riedquat voted on 306 .his last post was 308 - about 6 hrs before EOD. at that time he had 1 vote on him (Choxorn) whom he OMGUSed.

How can you say Riedquat did not self pres? BS. You are just fitting things into your narrative.

[atheotes]

I cant shake the feeling that pizza is scum. the fact that he has claimed 1-shot gives me pause.
He chose to shoot Zack, whom he has claimed he was unable to read. I cant understand the choice.

We are 10 alive now.
if we have 4 scum - mislynch today and game over possibly. it doest make sense unless there are some town PRs that can reduce kill power or atleast aid in catching scum.
But we have a claim for additional kill power and 1-time limited save.
It makes me believe that we have 3 scum with an additional 1 shot kill ability.
Vote: Pizza

[novice]

riedquat voted on 306 .his last post was 308 - about 6 hrs before EOD. at that time he had 1 vote on him (Choxorn) whom he OMGUSed.

How can you say Riedquat did not self pres? BS. You are just fitting things into your narrative.

Maybe not relevant, but for information: The tallies I posted listed Riedquat as voting No lynch on day 1, which was his initial vote. His vote in post 306 wasn't counted by the vote counter plugin. I think Pizza worked off a tally I posted.

Unvote; Vote: Choxorn because OMGUS!

At any rate, Riedquat demonstrably didn't self pres. The real question is whether scum Riedquat would be less likely to be completely offline near the deadline.

[atheotes]

Maybe not relevant, but for information: The tallies I posted listed Riedquat as voting No lynch on day 1, which was his initial vote. His vote in post 306 wasn't counted by the vote counter plugin. I think Pizza worked off a tally I posted.



At any rate, Riedquat demonstrably didn't self pres. The real question is whether scum Riedquat would be less likely to be completely offline near the deadline.

If Riedquat had come into the thread and did not vote the counter wagon, you can say "Riedquat demonstrably didn't self pres"
There was no pressure on him when he left the thread.
From what i know, Riedquat is not an active thread presence. So him not being here during EOD is not alignment indicative.

[Newyn]

Where I'm at:
I think Pizza is lying but there's one thing I can't ignore - BSmith and El Barto have been off wagon literally every day.
Could we be completely wrong and be in a situation where we've had V/V wagons 3 days in a row with BSmith and El Barto avoiding everything to not attract attention?

[BSmith]

Not quite, for me anyway. I have started on wagon the past couple of days. The wagon has just drifted away from my position. Same case today. Right now it seems heavily on Pizza. I don't see the need to pile on one more vote and will stay on khaan. I'll be in and out over the next hour or so and can adjust as necessary if a viable counter wagon should appear, but for now I am fine with either pizza or khaan.

[novice]

One person switching from Pizza to Al Sips would give us yet another random lynch.

Tally as of post 947:

Lynch votes
5 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Al Sipsclar, novice, Montmorency, Newyn, atheotes)
3 votes: Al Sipsclar (seireikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (BSmith)
1 votes: Montmorency (El Barto)

Voting history:

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Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

atheotes

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Al Sipsclair

GeneralHankerchief

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Aetheotes

Atheotes

Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

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[Newyn]

Fair enough, only other thing I'm worried about is that Pizza's claim is so ridiculous that it might be true.
I have great respect for Pizza's play so if he is scum, what do you think is his motivation behind such a claim? it feels like if he doesn't make a 1 shot vig claim, there wasn't that big a chance of him been the lynch today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey look, Al Monty and atheotes are all voting for me, what are the odds.

glgl town.

[BSmith]

The one shot vig claim certainly draws more attention to Pizza, but with him that is often a null tell. I could see it going either way with him, which is one of the reasons I don't really want to jump on his wagon. I could make the case for either outcome and feel good about it.

[BSmith]

Alright. Let's make this interesting. vote: Al Sips

[Renata]

There was a lot of back and forth between him and Khaan. He was always a lynch possibility. He failed to get traction on atheotes or Al Sipsclar despite that they're perfectly good candidates for mafia.

I don't pretend to have the first idea how this flip is going to go. The feeling of being played like a fiddle is pervasive.

[atheotes]

Hey look, Al Monty and atheotes are all voting for me, what are the odds.

glgl town.

How many scum do you think there are?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How many scum do you think there are?

The only one that matters to me at the moment is Al Sipsclar.

[atheotes]

The only one that matters to me at the moment is Al Sipsclar.

I am willing to lynch Al sips. I am asking you a simple question.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am willing to lynch Al sips. I am asking you a simple question.

No lylo was announced, so three.

[Renata]

Up to you, atheotes.

[Newyn]

Not sure if I'm more scared of Pizza actually been town or getting fooled by him more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sips wagon had 4 townies on it. Lynch outside of that wagon and you win the game 90% of the time.