Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

His switch from wolf-reading to town-reading Jabbz on EoD1, plus apparently trying to avoid having Choxorn on the lynch block which looked bad in light of the mafia flip, and his response to D2 pressure sounded wolfy to me. I need to ISO him tomorrow and see if that impression is accurate.

i have literally said nothing about jabbz this entire game

i have no idea how you got that

also i didn't avoid chox, like i said

that would assume chox was a higher level of publicity than he was

and it was part of a mistaking of the rules of the game

but that's like saying oh you didn't talk about the fourth most popular topic even though it was the most important shame on you you just talked about the top two

[Cuthillius]

anyway i have no original thoughts rn

i want to tomorrow though

right now my me is tingling

because i have ~no sleep and just ate a bunch of chocolate covered coffee beans

night all

c'est la vie

and merry christmas

[Cuthillius]

cass i think the strat works better when you can delineate groups better as far as majorities

in this case there may be a fairly high, comparatively speaking, number of scum left

and as a result a more majority based thing could be very easily skewed unless properly distributed

i really don't know

and dont care at this moment

[Montmorency]

i am thinking something like this.

Renata	Cass	atheotes	Winston	Visor
Montrbro	Schema	Jabbz	Zack	dice
Riedquat	Al sips
Cuth	El barto	Monty	Bsmith	Fenn

thoughts?

Personally rather Monstr were Rep than Winston (District 4), and Zack (or whoever in the upper class that doesn't have blessing to become Rep) should sit under Cass (District 2).

So on those terms simply, switch Monstr and Winston, and switch Zack and one of Schema/Al Sips/Barto.

i disagree

i don't think we've talked everything over

perhaps, and i don't think so, but PERHAPS mechanically

but definitely not as far as interaction

Players never evenly distribute their interactions with each other, and not even the Chancellor's fiat can make it transpire. We've talked over all these things between so many people, and we're not going to rehash them but with different people for the sake of completeness.

[Renata]

everyone voting for =/= deep wolf, even if i was scum

also everything i'm posting is stuff i'd post as town

you can tell because i'm town

that's how you can tell and i need sleep

Lol.

[Cass_]

can we just focus on redrawing the districts.
Definitely need 5 districts. is there anyone who doesnt want this?

I'm leaning 5, but limiting scum leans to as few Districts as possible those as possible, under strongest Town leans.

i am thinking something like this.

Renata	Cass	atheotes	Winston	Visor
Montrbro	Schema	Jabbz	Zack	dice
Riedquat	Al sips
Cuth	El barto	Monty	Bsmith	Fenn

thoughts?

Where are your scum reads in here? Are they grouped together or spread across districts?

Why?

[Cass_]

I'm leaning 5, but limiting scum leans to as few Districts as possible those as possible, under strongest Town leans.

If anyone sees/has problems with this, speak up now or forever hold your peace.

And Merry Christmas, Slower side of the world!!

[Montmorency]

If anyone sees/has problems with this, speak up now or forever hold your peace.

And Merry Christmas, Slower side of the world!!

Sort by classes, not by leeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaa...

[Cass_]

My previous reads list. Move dicetosser up above Jabbz, Zack up a couple slots maybe?, Schema down a couple mostly by virtue of not having anything towny to add since day one.

Oh, move monstrbro up some, but there's still that one post with regards to choxorn that really bugs. I'll see if I can find it.

Did you find that monstr-chox post?/What came of it? Where you at with Monstr?


Can you explain your progression on Cuth/Where you're at wrt him now?

In the quoted list you have him/monstr as the equivalent of your strongest Scum reads?

This EoD you seem to be defending him against Zack?

[Cuthillius]

Personally rather Monstr were Rep than Winston (District 4), and Zack (or whoever in the upper class that doesn't have blessing to become Rep) should sit under Cass (District 2).

So on those terms simply, switch Monstr and Winston, and switch Zack and one of Schema/Al Sips/Barto.



Players never evenly distribute their interactions with each other, and not even the Chancellor's fiat can make it transpire. We've talked over all these things between so many people, and we're not going to rehash them but with different people for the sake of completeness.

exactly

the strat is awesome if distributed properly

if not, which is more likely, i'd rather just have someone i'm sure is town make the pick

[Cuthillius]

more later, busy

merry christmas everyone

[Cass_]

Ok. Here's what I'm thinking of submitting for districts.

Group scum/confine as many of them as possible to the largest district
- Minimises the number of Rep votes the scummy/iest players can directly influence;

And then counter the leftover scummies with a balance of the strongest Townies where we can
- avoiding divide and conquer

If I'm missing significant early votes (on players who've flipped) pls let me know.

DISTRICT	1	2	3	4	5
		Cass/Renata
			Monty	Winston	Atheotes
			AlSips/Visor	Jabbz/Zack	BSmith/Dice
	Schema/(Csargo)Fenn/Riedquat/Cuth	Monstr/Barto
Total	4	4	3	3	3
Vote History	(Csargo)Fenn: D1 Sooh D2 - Schema D1 GH D2 Cuth Riedquat D1 Visor D2 GH Cuth D1 Sooh D2 GH	Cass D1 Barto / Choxorn D2 Barto/GH Renata D1 Choxorn D2 Monty Monstr D1 Winston D2 GH Barto: D1 Winston - - -	Monty D1 Visor D2 Cuth Al Sips D1 Bsmith D2 Monty Visor D1 Cuth D2 *Self	Winston D1 Barto D2 Csargo -->Zack Jabbz D1 Zack D2 Bsmith Zack D1 Jabbz D2 Cuth	Atheotes D1 Chox--> El Barto D2 GH Bsmith D1 Al Sips D2 Cuth Dice D1 Monty D2 Barto

Pizza Tallies for Reference

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema Renata Cass GH
Cuthillius Cuth Zack Sooh
Renata dp101 Cass Choxorn
Choxorn Cuth Zack Al Sipsclar
Dp101 dp101 GH choxorn
Jabbz dp101 Cass Zack
Dicetosser1 Dice Cass Monty

Winston Visor Cass El Barto
Bsmith Visor Visor Al Sips
Visor Visor Visor Cuthillius
Csargo Winston Cass Sooh
Riedquat Visor Visor Visor
El Barto El Barto El Barto Winston
Monstrbro Monstr Monstr Winston

Montmorency GH Cass Visor
Al Sipsclar Zack Cass Bsmith
Sooh Cass Cass atheotes
Cass_ Cass Renata El Barto
Generalhank GH Zack Sooh
Zack Zack Zack Jabbz
Atheotes Cass Winston El barto


District Representative:
Dp101: Representative for District 1 (3/7 votes, winner)
Visor: Representative for District 2 (4/7 votes, winner)
Cass: Representative for District 3 (3/7 votes, winner)

Chancellor: Cass (9/21 votes, winner)
Zack: 4
Visor: 3

Lynch vote: Tie.
Dp votes for Choxorn
Visor votes for Cuthillius
Cass votes for El Barto
choxorn-Cuth-ElBarto tied.

Pop vote:

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El Barto: 3
Sooh: 3
choxorn: 2
Al Sips: 2
Visor: 2
Winston: 2
Zack: 1
Monty: 1
GH: 1
Cuth: 1
Bsmith: 1
atheotes: 1
Jabbz: 1

Cass, in her position as chancellor, decides tie.
She can lynch her own suspect, El Barto, or lynch choxorn or Cuth. It’s up to her. But it must be between those three.

This is what I have. Double check me, send corrections via PM or mention me here.

Person District/Lynch

Schema dp101 / ---
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / ---
Jabbz dp101 / ---
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Csargo
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Cuth
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / ---
Cass_ --- / ---
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack --- / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

Tally looks like this, checking for discrepancies. PM me with any.

Person District/Chancellor/Lynch

Schema dp101 / Cuth
Cuth dp101 / GH
Renata dp101 / Monty
Dp101 dp101 / GH
Jabbz dp101 / Bsmith
Dice --- / Barto

Winston Winston / Zack
Bsmith Winston / Cuth
Visor Winston / Visor
Csargo Winston / ---
Riedquat Winston / GH
Barto Visor / ---
Monstr Monstr / GH

Monty Cass / Cuth
Al Sipsclar Cass / Monty
Cass_ Cass / Barto
GH Cass / Cuth
Zack Zack / Cuth
Atheotes Cass / GH

Dp would be re-elected district 1, is voting GH

Winston would be elected district 2, is voting Zack

Cass would be re-elected district 3, is voting Barto

Cass would decide tie-break.

[Cass_]

Or

District 1
Fenn/Schema/Riedquat/Cuth


District 2
Cass/Renata
Monstr/Barto


District 3
Monty/Al Sips/Visor


District 4
Winston/Jabbz/Zack


District 5
Atheotes/BSmith/Dice


- Each Member votes for [B]Repand Lynch

- Prior to EoD, District Rep changes their vote to reflect the majority in the district.

- Lynch occurs due to the highest number of red votes.


Thoughts?

[Cuthillius]

I'd switch monstr with someone from d5

i think he's town

i don't have >thin town reads on anyone in d5

[Montmorency]

District 1 is the crucial disagreement. Those people should be spread out. Put Renata to govern them.

[El Barto]

Where does the idea for five districts rather than four come from? A mislynch plus a well-placed kill would mean you could have two districts with 2 voters each with one summioso, and if there's more scummos there they'd be overrepresented, each having 25-33% of the vote in their districts.

This mushroom-chicken slice has almost no mushroom, and they forgot one of the slices.

You should have a half-and-half pizza, one-half provolone and ham, the other mozzarella and anchovies. Both with some tomato sauce under it, plus oregano and garlic.

Also mushrooms are gross, they did you a favor.

No they are not, they did him a disfavour.

OK, I see you're warming on the "Cuth-Cass-Bart-Choxorn" conspiracy I mentioned yesterday. Good effort, but I still think it's nuts and at any rate self-resolving through failure to die or to lynch scum on Cass' part.

I'm just being pedantic. We have relatively-little to discuss today besides who we'd like to be districted with.

Ultimate conspiracy: Cass-Renata-Chox-Cuth-Bart. Monstrbro neutral survivor. Monty amnesiac.

what is this i don't even

See previous post - I've voted for El Barto because he seems scummy on general play, I've lynched Chox and GH him because there were considerable differences in their play here and their play in games where they were Town and that made it more likely to me that they were actual scum than just El Barto hinging on randomness and self-reference, which I've seen him do in both alignments.

TLDR He's still scummy on general principle and I'd like to see him lynched.

I'm always scummy, lass. Even atpg or Backwards Logic have trouble reading me. See my sig!

[El Barto]

Where does the idea for five districts rather than four come from? A mislynch plus a well-placed kill would mean you could have two districts with 2 voters each with one scummioso, and if there's more scummos in other districts they'd be overrepresented, each having 25-33% of the vote in their districts.

Fixed (pseudoedit).

[Askthepizzaguy]

District 1
Fenn
Schema
Riedquat
Cuth

District 2
Cass
Renata
Monstr
Barto

District 3
Monty
Al Sips
Visor

District 4
Winston
Jabbz
Zack

District 5
Atheotes
BSmith
Dice

This is the version of districts I received within the allotted time. It is now official.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There are roughly 48 hours remaining, minus one half hour.

[El Barto]

There are roughly 48 hours remaining, minus one half hour.

#timerfeature

[Montmorency]

Vote: Cuthilius

Visor, do you want to be Rep, or can I be Rep? If you're Rep today I want to be Rep tomorrow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

[El Barto]

Vote: Cuthilius

Visor, do you want to be Rep, or can I be Rep? If you're Rep today I want to be Rep tomorrow.

#powergrab

[Fenn]

i have literally said nothing about jabbz this entire game

i have no idea how you got that

also i didn't avoid chox, like i said

that would assume chox was a higher level of publicity than he was

and it was part of a mistaking of the rules of the game

but that's like saying oh you didn't talk about the fourth most popular topic even though it was the most important shame on you you just talked about the top two

My bad on the Jabbz thing, I dunno where I got that from...must have confused you with somebody else. wrt choxorn even if you misunderstood the rules you still tried to direct the lynch away from him and I don't buy your explanations. And maybe I'm missing something but how is "who will get lynched in ten minutes" not important??

[Fenn]

Oh and the districts are out. D1 doesn't look ideal which I guess is the point, but wouldn't it have been better to have spread out all the people who seem scummy?

Anyway, Vote: Schema for being the towniest + not a lurker. I like their progression on D1, generally get a towny vibe from their posts.

[Jabbz]

District 1
Fenn
Schema
Riedquat
Cuth

District 2
Cass
Renata
Monstr
Barto

District 3
Monty
Al Sips
Visor

District 4
Winston
Jabbz
Zack

District 5
Atheotes
BSmith
Dice

This is the version of districts I received within the allotted time. It is now official.

Well, District 4 should be interesting. Zack doesn't trust me or Winston, Winston doesn't trust zack, though I'm not sure how he feels about me. I trust Zack to be town, but not to have good decision making, and I'm unsure of how I feel about Winston.

Vote: Jabbz

[Cuthillius]

My bad on the Jabbz thing, I dunno where I got that from...must have confused you with somebody else. wrt choxorn even if you misunderstood the rules you still tried to direct the lynch away from him and I don't buy your explanations. And maybe I'm missing something but how is "who will get lynched in ten minutes" not important??

lol no i didn't

you can argue that i should have known he was wolf because ???? and therefore i should have pushed him

but blaming me for not talking about him when he had fewer votes than the people i was talking about, when it was not like i was avoiding him from my pov of the vote at that time

[Visor]

Is anyone else going to point out that all cuth does is reply to things against him and he never takes active steps towards solving the game?

[El Barto]

Is anyone else going to point out that all cuth does is reply to things against him and he never takes active steps towards solving the game?

I haven't paid him that much attention, having had to defend myself and with limited time.

btw read my post above, regarding the gerrymandering reapportionment of districts.

[Cass_]

I'd switch monstr with someone from d5

i think he's town

i don't have >thin town reads on anyone in d5

Done now but could be considered for later/next round.

Rest of your leans, and thoughts on top scum please.

Your vote combination plus D3 start and read of your ISO considering hunting effort over relaxed toan has you moving down for me. Ie you sound chill, but apart from push at Visor/Zack, defending yourself and then backing off giving them VV leans, I don't see you pushing/eager to solve. I also read in one of your ISOs a comment where you mention playing bold D1 is a good thing for scum, so you having that view/being aware of it and your Sooh/Visor start here now make me go :| rather than 'scum wouldn't do THAT!'

District 1 is the crucial disagreement. Those people should be spread out. Put Renata to govern them.

How do you govern them if you spread them out?

Way I see it, spreading them out makes it easier for them to influence more lynch candidates, putting a Towny in with the biggest bunch of them likely just wastes the Towny's vote.

I considered adding Renata/I there but decided it would be better to replace with another scummy so that the next District over/Leftover ?scummland has a better chance of Townier balance.

Fixed (pseudoedit).

Districts must have minimum 3 members. So immediately after your scenario Districts would need to be redrawn/that imbalance could be avoided.

And I KNOW you're always scummy in tone etc.

Not going to let that alone wash for a continued excuse of poor Town/anti Town play though. Lenience for that is pretty much up.

Reality is your ISO is still entirely fluff or hinging on the 'I'm scummy' meta and though there are hints you may be working more than you show, you haven't actually come through with the/any goods and I think there is possibly a difference between that, which was your scumStyle in Snake Cult, and Rappers where you were Town and got more widely involved.