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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    Precisionist. You once said that it was terribly important.
    Reality check. You pretended it was not against the Communist Party. It was. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Reality check. You pretended it was not against the Communist Party. It was. Simple.
    Do you want to start it over again? The reality OF THAT MOMENT was that Communists were not banned. They were on trial. Ostensibly nobody knew what the outcome of it would be. The court's ruling came several months later, AFTER this question was being discussed on these boards.
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    You can repeat it as long you want. The project was to ban the Communist Party as expressed by the Nazi in charge. Communist party was ban.
    The result is what you denied. Ukraine banned a political Party (decommunisation laws). Fact you were contesting against all evidence. And fact which happened.

    24 Jul 2015
    Pavel Petrenko has signed a decree banning all communist parties from participating in elections in the country.
    “You know, I think today is the day of historical justice. Today the minister has signed the decision according to legislation adopted by the Upper Rada [upper chamber of the Ukrainian parliament]. In accordance with this law communist parties lose their right to take part in political and election processes,” the secretary of Ukraine’s national security council Aleksandr Turchinov said during a briefing on Friday.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    One word "labeling" attacks....again? That makes BOTH of you recidivists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    One word "labeling" attacks....again? That makes BOTH of you recidivists.
    Well, Gilrandir refuses to stand-up to his opinions, comments and analyses. So, someone has to put him in front of what he claimed and confront him with the reality.
    I am not sure it will give results however.
    Russian tanks are still not rolling to Berlin.
    US troops are now at the borders of Russia.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    You can repeat it as long you want. The project was to ban the Communist Party as expressed by the Nazi in charge. Communist party was ban.
    The result is what you denied. Ukraine banned a political Party (decommunisation laws). Fact you were contesting against all evidence. And fact which happened.
    I never denied it was banned. It was. But WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT it wasn't. Perform the reality check. Although I admit that your reality may be somewhat different from the reality others live in. Much like Putin's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    24 Jul 2015
    Pavel Petrenko has signed a decree banning all communist parties from participating in elections in the country.
    “You know, I think today is the day of historical justice. Today the minister has signed the decision according to legislation adopted by the Upper Rada [upper chamber of the Ukrainian parliament]. In accordance with this law communist parties lose their right to take part in political and election processes,” the secretary of Ukraine’s national security council Aleksandr Turchinov said during a briefing on Friday.
    There is no "Upper Rada" in Ukraine. And the Ukrainian parliament is ONE CHAMBER. If you refer to sources like that it is no wonder your reality looks so distorted. And this refers to your post below as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Well, Gilrandir refuses to stand-up to his opinions, comments and analyses. So, someone has to put him in front of what he claimed and confront him with the reality.
    I am not sure it will give results however.
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    Russian tanks are still not rolling to Berlin.
    Did I claim they would be? If I did I would be very much obliged if you exemplified your reality check with a quote.

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    US troops are now at the borders of Russia.
    Perhaps they are because Russia moved its troops into Crimea and a part of Donbas?
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    "There is no "Upper Rada" in Ukraine" Yeah, as it change the reality of the ban...

    "Perhaps they are because Russia moved its troops into Crimea and a part of Donbas?" Deployment of US forces was effective BEFORE Crimea...

    "Did I claim they would be?" Long time ago, check yourself, be consistent... You denied every you pretend, then ask me to look for it. No thanks...
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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