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    Quote Originally Posted by Manasi View Post
    I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.

    After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.
    Manasi, why is Champ strong town for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    hello
    why is there no 50ppp option
    im upset
    i dont know most of you
    so this will be fun
    Statements like this before roles are sent, are, IME, town. After roles sent out; Scummy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    the sirie votes are stupid
    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    Why's that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    almost no substance
    just throw a dart that will be just as effective
    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    former
    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?

    For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
    whats your point for the second paragraph
    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    Better lynches, like who?

    The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by El Barto View Post
    Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.
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    why not today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Choxorn View Post
    Good Question.
    Unvote, Vote: Champ
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    I don't like manasi
    Vote: Manasi
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
    she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
    i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch
    [Apologies if the coding doesn't work out]
    @: Champ Day 1 (most, but not all posts, plus some interactions to give context)

    What's most telling to me is that he says there is no substance to Khaan, yet has no substance himself. Votes for Manasi with what, at first glance, appears to be his second largest post of the game, after his opening post.

    I will post more as my time is available.
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    OK, I tried a mention of Novice, and it didn't work. What did I do wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Statements like this before roles are sent, are, IME, town. After roles sent out; Scummy.
    How can they be town before roles are sent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    What's most telling to me is that he says there is no substance to Khaan, yet has no substance himself.
    I believe Champ went over this already, with Choxorn (?). Champ was saying that there was no substance to Khaan when arguing that the Khaan votes were stupid. There's no hypocricy here - even if we stipulate that Champ had no substance himself. So I'm not sure what the point is, what is this "telling" you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    I will post more as my time is available.
    From your previous statement that ISO'ing Champ made him look worse, I thought you had already ISO'ed him? Give us your cliff notes.

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    Let me ISO Champ to get a bead on him, brb.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    How can they be town before roles are sent?
    That's a derp. I was thinking everyone is town before roles are sent out.
    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    I believe Champ went over this already, with Choxorn (?). Champ was saying that there was no substance to Khaan when arguing that the Khaan votes were stupid. There's no hypocricy here - even if we stipulate that Champ had no substance himself. So I'm not sure what the point is, what is this "telling" you?



    From your previous statement that ISO'ing Champ made him look worse, I thought you had already ISO'ed him? Give us your cliff notes.
    What is tells me is that it is an easy way to clear himself because he appears similar to someone that he knows is going to flip town.

    I had ISO'd Champ already. I shared his day 1 posts to give you examples of what looks bad to me. And the rest of his posts for follow-on days are just as bad.

    I won't have time to post anything of substance today. I'll lurk as time is available. If you want to convince me to move my vote, that is probably the only thing I will be able to accomplish today with the free time I have before EOD.
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    Okay, read it. I'll put my conclusions under spoiler so hopefully Logic won't piggyback.

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    The content of Champ's posts aren't particularly alignment-indicative for him. Some stuff is unexplained, some stuff is. There's tunneling going on for sure (Logic and earlier, briefly Manasi), but there's also moments where he seems like he's just engaging with folks as they come and trying to pick out what's relevant to him.

    From a more macro sense, the biggest thing I noticed in this ISO is the fact that about half of Champ's posts came from D1. I mentioned this before, but a fairly reliable scumtell for me is being unable to keep up a certain level of engagement with the thread as the game goes on, especially in situations where town's been taking a beating and mafia were clearly in control (as was the case up until Zack dunked on Csargo last phase). This is Champ in this game. His posting rate hasn't dropped off a cliff, but it's been a gradual slide, and it's enough for me to give him a leaning scumread.

    However, ultimately, my point still stands about him: Champ is going to be resolved with associative tells, specifically Jabbz and also likely Logic (though I do not want Logic lynched today because the folks on his wagon look pretty bad).
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
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    Here's what I wrote earlier but didn't post:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logic View Post
    Personally, I think Champ looks far worse when ISO'ed.
    I guess since Champ isn't around much we'll have to talk about him instead of talking to him. Do you think scum is likely to post things like this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    I forgot this existed
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    Ok I'll make up a fake reason then
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    oh this is a thing
    why is no one voting logic
    In-between the lurking he has also posted a few things of note - he suspects you (Logic) for a bad vote on GH and for voting Champ (lynchbait) without mentioning you before (he retracted the latter part). He thinks I'm lock town (correct) and he's willing to lynch Jabbz (a popular choice). He tried to question El Barto about something and tragically El Barto killed this attempt at dialogue by refusing to respond.

    In sum this feels like he may just be a villager doing his thing at a very low level of participation. That is, he is playing, he's just not putting in a big effort.

    Yes, he could be scum who is devoting most of his energy to the mafia quicktopic and to just reading, and who uses "I don't care about being scumread" WIFOM to his advantage. Or he's just lynchbait.

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    I don't like that novice, Logic, and I have come to three completely different conclusions after reading the same ISO.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    From a more macro sense, the biggest thing I noticed in this ISO is the fact that about half of Champ's posts came from D1. I mentioned this before, but a fairly reliable scumtell for me is being unable to keep up a certain level of engagement with the thread as the game goes on, especially in situations where town's been taking a beating and mafia were clearly in control (as was the case up until Zack dunked on Csargo last phase). This is Champ in this game. His posting rate hasn't dropped off a cliff, but it's been a gradual slide, and it's enough for me to give him a leaning scumread.
    I agree that a declining level of contribution is in general a scumtell, but I'm not sure about the "town taking a beating" connection. Couldn't townies lose heart and stop participating? Or feel that they've lost control and simply stick with tunneling their main suspect?

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    I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

    Breadth and superficiality.

    No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.

    I have finally begun to reread Confections.

    All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.

    GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.

    There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.

    As always, Champ is a wildcard.

    And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.

    So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.

    WE MUST CHOOSE
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    I don't like that novice, Logic, and I have come to three completely different conclusions after reading the same ISO.
    Well as for you and I our approaches differ, but we both come out pretty null on him it seems?

    I mean for me I don't like Champ from a macro perspective, but when I ISO'ed him I doubted his being scum. Whereas Logic says that ISO'ing him makes him look worse, which was what raised my eyebrows in the first place.

    In general Logic seems to be on a different page from the rest of us, having me as his second suspect and focusing on his own things. I agree with Monty in that from my perspective it's frankly a bit underwhelming. Maybe his process doesn't work with this game pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    I agree that a declining level of contribution is in general a scumtell, but I'm not sure about the "town taking a beating" connection. Couldn't townies lose heart and stop participating? Or feel that they've lost control and simply stick with tunneling their main suspect?
    They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?

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    Monty, in no world are we lynching novice today.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.
    Why should we lynch El Barto then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?
    Yeah actually he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?

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    Monty, in no world are we lynching novice today.
    In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?

    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    Why should we lynch El Barto then?
    You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.

    I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.

    I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.
    OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?
    I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.

    I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.

    You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be ing around with this.

    And why is Jabbz off the table for you?
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief View Post
    I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.

    I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.

    You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be ing around with this.

    And why is Jabbz off the table for you?
    You've got it the other way around - pushing is how you flip scum, you don't just wait for scum "on a silver platter" to begin pushing.

    Pulling quotes from another game isn't useful since it's a pattern, not a smoking gun. More productive showing how the pattern applies in this game.

    Jabbz has behaved like a standard townie, and he does not fit in well for Mafioso scenarios. The game only begins to make sense once you are prepared to factor in novice as scum.
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    Novice re GH: 'He had a scummy response to Zack's block-baiting D5'.

    Pocket-work? Novice's reaction of 'huh ho I totes get it vote csargo' falls in the same category.

    Of the people who responded to me frustrations about Zack's tactic - GH, novice, Logic - GH and novice stood by having immediately recognized it for what it was, while Logic claimed it went over his head.

    But the fact that you impressed upon us immediate recognition was the essence of Zack's genius: scum would be expecting that exact reveal, and so would present both sensitized and unmoved.

    And Zack blocked someone last night, I'm sure. He didn't reveal it so he could have a chance at stopping his own kill. He failed of course, probably blocking Jabbz or Manasi. Meanwhile: novice kills unopposed!!
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    Monty, I'm not scum.

    If I were scum, there's no way Csargo would be doing the kills.

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    Hi friends.

    Just finished my first day of real people work.

    Eeeeee.

    WHAT'D I MISS

    *catch up time*

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    Monty I'm about to leave work, not sure if I'll be back in time for EOD, but your case on novice is bad and it is a very bad idea to lynch him today.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    wtf monty thinks novice is scum

    ok

    no



    but ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

    Breadth and superficiality.

    No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.

    I have finally begun to reread Confections.

    All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.

    GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.

    There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.

    As always, Champ is a wildcard.

    And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.

    So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.

    WE MUST CHOOSE
    ok so everything here is fine except for the push on novice

    i told you guys about barto lol


    sure monty

    let's do this for now

    still catching up, reading backwards like a pleb

    Vote: El Barto

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    Champ, to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Who are you calling a liar in this post? Were you saying Manasi lied about being poisoned?
    yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    Night actions:
    N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
    N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
    N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
    N1, possible: Someone attacked SeveringViper
    N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
    N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
    N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
    N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
    N3: SeveringViper blocked Monty
    N3: Zack blocked Monty (3 nights)
    N4: Zack blocked Csargo (3 nights)
    N4: Noone was killed
    N5: Someone killed Zack


    Day 1
    6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo, GeneralHankerchief, novice, Cuthillius, Choxorn, Raith Kemmler)
    4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, BSmith, Logic, SeveringViper)
    3 votes: choxorn (Manasi, seireikhaan, Jabbz)
    2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto, Sooh)
    1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
    1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency)

    Day 2
    5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi, GeneralHankerchief)
    4 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, El Barto, SeveringViper)
    1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus)
    1 votes: El Barto (BSmith)


    Day 3
    3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
    3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
    2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
    1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
    1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
    1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
    1 votes: Logic (Champ)


    Day 4
    6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo, El Barto, Manasi,
    GeneralHankerchief)
    4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency, SeveringViper)
    1 votes: Logic (Champ)


    Day 5
    7 votes: Csargo (Zack, GeneralHankerchief, El Barto, novice, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi)
    1 votes: Zack (Csargo)
    1 votes: Logic (Champ)
    1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zack View Post
    Novice - Very likely town. Active, prodding, top poster. He mentioned in Tokens, where he was a wolf, he was townread all game and survived to the end. I looked and saw he had less than a third as many posts in that game as he does here, so didn't bother looking into it further just for paranoid tinfoil.

    Montmorency - Likely town. I think his reaction earlier today went past the point of performance art. I do have some pause for how Csargo and Monty have interacted all game, but I think Monty's just town.

    GeneralHankerchief - Likely town. Spew looks good for him. Plus he looks town and I don't buy any of the arguments that have been used against him.

    Champ - Lean town. He feels like a scapegoat. His posts are within his town range and I can see some of things that could indicate town mindset. It's all so absurdly low effort that I can't give any more confidence than this.

    Logic - Null. Not sure how to feel about this slot. Some of his posts I've liked, some I haven't been so crazy about.

    Manasi - POE. Don't like the pop in / pop out thing, it's something I've seen her do as a wolf - where she'll pop in to say hey what's up, then not really say anything and leave, repeat. She has not had the WIM she claimed.

    El Barto - POE. This has been done to death. On re-read a lot of his posts rub me the wrong way. On actually looking into that one QT, claiming the poison seems in his wheelhouse. Don't forget what GH said about Barto bussing/distancing either, it's true - his thing with Jabbz is not clearing in any way.

    Jabbz - POE. Kind of underwhelming all game (I don't want to hear about time constraints, this is a quality issue not quantity). He hasn't seemed overly concerned with hunting, and his GH push falls really flat. His treatment of Logic is bizarre, and being so confident about it with no paranoia is off. I think GH has made good points here.
    Zack's last will is still very good, and I think I only disagree with him on Jabbz now.
    Join me on Manasi, villagers?

    Fake edit: Crossposting with Manasi, will read her posts next.

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    Default Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]

    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    yes
    1) How do you know?
    2) If you think so, why on earth haven't you been voting her?

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    Default Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]

    Quote Originally Posted by novice View Post
    1) How do you know?
    2) If you think so, why on earth haven't you been voting her?
    1. i dont
    2. i believe the claim over logic

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