Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Roughly town to scum ordering:

Novice
Manasi - Few posts but got very good vibes from it/them
Cuthillius - Has a natural pro-town thread presence
Logic - Seems honest and open
SeveringViper - A for effort. More likely power wolfer than the guys above him

Raith Kemmler - Seems fine, just getting outshined.
El Barto - Objectively he's just a lurker, but he manages to come across as an active player. You could even chose to hold that against him. He should be lower on this list frankly.
Sooh - I like what I've seen so far but it should be well within her scum range.

GeneralHankerchief - Recovered somewhat from a bad start. Frankly gives off a better impression here than in many of his other day ones.
Jabbz - As discussed I'll give him some time.

Csargo / Champ - These two both seem somewhat active, but I think I'm confusing the two of them in my recollection of the thread, so I'll have to reread them.

Autolycus - Lurking but at least managed to sound like an honest lurker.
Montmorency - His thought processes are normally hard to follow, but in this game we haven't even been given a chance yet. I feel like he can easily do better, why is he holding back?
choxorn - So far he's not trying to be helpful
Seireikhaan - Trying to justify being unhelpful. Talks in generalities.

BSmith - One post so far? No opinion yet, willing to policy lynch.

Maybe I should call it a "won't lynch to will lynch" ordering instead. Typically you'll find a wolf amongst the top guys on a list like this, but I think it's the wrong end to start looking in.

[Sooh]

That's kind of making me want to lynch Novice actually.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That's kind of making me want to lynch Novice actually.

Why?

[Champ]

Link to examples? IIRC the only game we played together on MU was Copless where you subbed in halfway through, so that's a bit different of a situation.

its most games
i look at the vote count and see who voted who and why

[Choxorn]

the sirie votes are stupid

Why's that?

[GeneralHankerchief]

its most games
i look at the vote count and see who voted who and why

Don't have time to look right now, but I'll take your word for it. Kind of a dumb way to be caught if you're mafia and you're smarter than that.

[Sooh]

Why?

Quick little quips and comments. Logic as townie because he's being honest and open about who he has played with and not before.

Idk, it just seems too neatly wrapped up in a bow, if that makes sense?

[Logic]

what do you think is scummy about monty/khaan

in your own words please

I do hope you don't mind if I use all of Monthy's words as well:

I don't know what's going on. Just tell me who scans type.

Or Vote: novice gets it.

Forced joke. Feels a tad wolfish to me.

Two word Mafia.

Tell me what you see.

Null tell. I feel like I am missing some kind of subtext.

<3, OMG, let's meet up on IRC.

Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper

Responding to Cuth: slight alarms going off here. Feels like a forced joke about breaking the spirit or the letter of the rules. If Monty turns wolf, I would not be surprised if Cuth is one as well.

Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?

That would have been a proper disposable vote. Too late now though.

Comment's about casting throwaway vote based on username similarity on pokemon. Seems a tad wolfish to me.

What if this is the result we seek?

Slight town lean here. This feels more helpful than not.

Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?

Speculation that seemingly leads nowhere. Not helpful in either case.

I yearn to rely on a stronger will.

I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.

I don't get what Monty is going for here. I don't normally assume being poetic is a wolf trait, but it feels more like an attempt to look more sophisticated, and thus, less wolfy.

Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:



On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:



But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.

Attacking his biggest lynch competitor with what looks like weak reasoning to me. Could be desperate wolf; could be incensed townie. I get the feeling that Monty is a good player, so I think there is more to this than he is saying.

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

The "Play for the badge" comment I am going to have to assume is one of those things under the avatars that GH seems to have already obtained several of. It seems weak reasoning for Monty to mention it, but I am suspicious of that comment in particular without more information.

[Champ]

Why's that?

almost no substance
just throw a dart that will be just as effective

[Choxorn]

Logic's posts are good and logical. I think he's town.

[Choxorn]

almost no substance
just throw a dart that will be just as effective

Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?

[novice]

novice: Re: your section of me in your longer post above, I was going to argue that your conclusion w/r/t your read of me is correct, but I feel like your reasons for reading me as such are bad, so I'm not sure what to do with you at the moment? but then I realized that most of the bones I had to pick with it were playstyle differences and thus not actual bad arguments.

Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?

[Champ]

Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?

former

[Choxorn]

Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?

For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.

[novice]

Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?

OK, I think I get it now. You're saying that I backed off of you with bad arguments, but that it's not suspicious because it's in my nature to make bad town reads. :)

[Champ]

Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?

For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.

bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
whats your point for the second paragraph

[El Barto]

OK, I think I get it now. You're saying that I backed off of you with bad arguments, but that it's not suspicious because it's in my nature to make bad town reads. :)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?

You weren't misunderstanding. Some of the arguments in and of themselves are bad, but they're not necessarily scummy. They're just null in terms of alignment, which is what I care about more than getting into a playstyle discussion. Postgame for the latter, perhaps.

Also I'm not sure if I agree with Logic's case on Monty, but that's probably just from my inability to correctly read Monty in the first place. The case itself feels honest though.

[Logic]

I do hope you don't mind if I use all of Monthy's words as well:

It's official: "Monty" is "Monthy" now.

D*** typos. If you ever find a post of mine on the Playground that has not been edited, count yourself lucky. I retyped this last sentence 4 times to get the grammar correct, and I am a native English speaker.

[Logic]

Also, I'm not finished with Khan. (That sounds way more menacing than I intended it to be.)

My last break at work is wrapping up, and I don't have time to explain in the same detail as I did for Monthy

[Choxorn]

bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
whats your point for the second paragraph

Better lynches, like who?

The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.

[El Barto]

It's Khaan, Mr. Lhoghich. Khaan.

[El Barto]

Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.

[Choxorn]

I meant to say my second paragraph, not your second paragraph. I accidentally mixed up a word there.

[Champ]

Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.

why not today

[Champ]

Better lynches, like who?

The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.

[Choxorn]

why not today

Good Question.

Unvote, Vote: Champ

[seireikhaan]

This post:



khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:

- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched

This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.

Really, dude? I've mentioned this before... a few times. Whatever. People got sore at me for having a schtick or for rp'ing because I "wasn't being serious". Now I don't bother and that's cause for alarm? Fine. Idek why I bother signing up.

[Cuthillius]

vote:choxorn

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Monty